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is it necessary to hire Business Analyst for large public project in presence of a Project Manager?
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In a situation mentioned below:

Public owned Commercial Bank
Low skilled project team
Not using any standard Project Management approach
Large Scale small & medium size loan scheme
Low mark up rate
Loan period up to 07 years plus 01 Grace year
High Volume of customers expected
Government pressure
Social Responsibility being Nation's Bank
Interest of Political mileage
Lack of Commitment from Higher management of Bank
Bank is showing reluctance in disbursement of loan after certain limit
Government is urging to disburse more than Bank's capacity to bear losses
Lack of Rewards & Recognition for Project team except Project Manager
Lack of technical expertise
PMT work on common understanding and day to day basis
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Both are roles and while I do not recommend that both can be performing by the same person. The important thing is to understand that both have diferent focus. Business analyst is focused on the product/service/result to be created by the project. Project manager is focused in all related to the project from planning to close. All related to project (project scope) will be defined from all related to product/service/result definition. So, no matter the situation, you have to understand the role focus and you have to understand that both must work together mainly from business case creation.
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From the situation above, I am unclear what the actual project is. Could you clarify?
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I do not recommend that you have both on the same project but from what you've mentioned above about the situation, this project is very very risky and even if you bring in both together, they might not be able to sort out the issues. You need to do proper planning and avoid some of the major risks mentioned above,otherwise IMHO, better to close or postpone the project.
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If you have a large project, the project manager should be assigned full-time to managing the project.

Whether or not you need a business analyst depends on the scope of the project:
* Do you need to verify the agreed-upon scope (due diligence)?
* Do you need to capture requirements?
* Do you need to translate your project deliverable into business terms?

If you answer yes to one of the questions above, then you need at least one business analyst.
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You do not hire Business Analyst after the project is already in existence and BA role is NOT dependent on PM role. BA is an operational role and exists already in an organization.. It is the fruit of BA's work that the justification of project has been found. A PM is hired to do the job and he delivers the product of the project to the organization. BA ensures the benefits from the project are realised and objectives met. Role of BA continues even after project have closed and PM has gone packing.
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BA is not an operational role and BA exists before a project exists. In fact, there is no project if a BA does not work inside an initiative. All the work related to business case, which is the input for all process related to project management, is performed by a business analyisr.
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Sergio, BA role exists before a project and continues after the project, so it is definitely not a project role. It works towards strategic objectives and to realise benefits for the organization by making it possible to work for various projects and organizational changes, that makes it an operational role, just like PMO is called as an operational organization. I agree BA works during a project alongside a PM but BA is not hired for just the life cycle of the project but for a larger purpose outside of the scope of project.

Rami and Stephane, there is NO dispute whether these two roles can co-exist or not, they sure can and they should. The question is "Can a PM assume a BA role?" or "Can a BA assume a PM role?" in certain smaller in size and non-complex simple projects. In that case I would say yes it can be done.

Kindly read the book "The Business Analyst./Project Manager" by Robert K. Wyosocki, also available in KOBO ebooks
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Jan 23, 2016 3:13 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Suhail,

I totally agree with you - I have nothing more to add to be honest. You put that in a fair and square manner. BA in my point of view as well, and experience is an operational role. In very minor cases they are engaged within the project and if it happens it might be temporary and for a certain reason. I would like to emphasize your point as well that BA can't resume the role of PM unless for very small non-complex projects.
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Jan 23, 2016 2:40 AM
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Sergio, BA role exists before a project and continues after the project, so it is definitely not a project role. It works towards strategic objectives and to realise benefits for the organization by making it possible to work for various projects and organizational changes, that makes it an operational role, just like PMO is called as an operational organization. I agree BA works during a project alongside a PM but BA is not hired for just the life cycle of the project but for a larger purpose outside of the scope of project.

Rami and Stephane, there is NO dispute whether these two roles can co-exist or not, they sure can and they should. The question is "Can a PM assume a BA role?" or "Can a BA assume a PM role?" in certain smaller in size and non-complex simple projects. In that case I would say yes it can be done.

Kindly read the book "The Business Analyst./Project Manager" by Robert K. Wyosocki, also available in KOBO ebooks
Suhail,

I totally agree with you - I have nothing more to add to be honest. You put that in a fair and square manner. BA in my point of view as well, and experience is an operational role. In very minor cases they are engaged within the project and if it happens it might be temporary and for a certain reason. I would like to emphasize your point as well that BA can't resume the role of PM unless for very small non-complex projects.
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I completely agree with Suhail.

In our EPC organisation business analysts are part of bidding and project selection team. It is very a strategic role for business operations.

Generally their role finishes after project is awarded to us (sometime they help us to reanalyze)
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My english is not good, but operational is close to the operation which is day to day activities. Business analyst is a strategycal role, not operational. Sorry if I missunderstand the term "operational". About how the role performs inside an initiative I agree with you Suhail. In fact, I was one of the authors of BABOK and PMI´s PGBA and Requirement Mangement.
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