sandeep KharbandaSales manager| Vanderlande IndustriesPune, Maharashtra, India
I have observed recruiter often looking for project manager from same industry irrespective project management skills.
In my view, it doesnt matter the project manage handling IT projects or construction project as long as he is well versed in process of project management.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
I came from IT. And I was the project manager of a hugh construction project. In fact, if you work on creating a new branch or opening a new business unit a construction component is a project component inside the project. The problem is, generally speaking, people do not understand that the project manager is an integrator. It does means that project plan is based on information (not data, information) provided by the subject matter experts the project manager engage as stakeholders. So, what Mounir stated above about why a IT project manager is not the right person for construction projects, is totally the contrary, I meant, it sustains my argument (sorry Mounir if I did not understand you). AND REMEMBER, THERE IS NOT AN IT PROJECT MANAGER, and there is not an project manager (sorry about the capital letter). There is a project manager that works in quit diferent domain and environments. We need to understand this to put our discipline in the top. Saving Changes...
While I don't have a statistic and I may be wrong I think it is quite rare in the IT industry to find a project manager that is really a technical lead.
I can't generalize my own experiences but I haven't seen yet a technical lead project manager; well the majority of project managers who I have worked with not only that they are not technical leads they are not technical at all.
I think technical lead project managers exist mainly in small IT companies that can't afford paying someone just to manage projects without doing productive work.
I've seen quite a few IT companies that hire entry level project managers in the same way they hire for example entry level business analysts or entry level software engineers.
It's obvious however that if you start your career in IT project management as a fresh graduate with no prior working experience you will never be a technical lead and you will never manage the technical aspects involved in an IT project. Saving Changes...
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Adrian
I do not have a formal study to prove or disprove your comment or mine. However, just go on LinkedIn and watch for the people who are showing that they earn a PMP or PgMP and you will notice
(1) Most of them come from technology - not capital projects (2) Many of them - their past work is mostly IT (3) Some of them - you do not even see a project manager title or role on the profile
Based on personal experience, working with banks, government, etc. a good percent of the people who are leading IT projects - are IT people and do IT related work ------ OR all of the PM work. For example, the PMT does not exist for these guys and do not even know what it is. This observation is from online groups and discussion in additions to clients' organizations.
Unless the IT project is a major project; we do not see dedicated PM. When we do, it is often they are managing the IT components only and not End-to-End.
The same thing for most business projects.
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Mar 06, 2016 6:11 AM
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Mounir,
As I said my comment is based entirely on my experience and I have reservations on generalizing my own experience.
However I have looked at job openings for IT project managers and for most of them the prior experience working in IT but in a position other than project manager was not appreciated too much.
In many companies you can't get an IT project manager job if you don't have project management experience. The best way to gain project management experience is to start working on an entry level project management position such as project coordinator or junior project manager.
If you have served as a technical lead in several projects but the company you are working in has dedicated employees for managing projects then your chances to actually become a project manager are virtually non-existent. The only chance is to accept a much lower salary to start at an entry level position and then in a couple of years maybe you can get you old salary back.
These dedicated project managers however don't actually lead the teams in the traditional sense (giving instructions or orders) but instead ,as Sergio said, they engage the stakeholders.
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Brian MukoyiProjects Manager| J R Goddard ContractingBulawayo, Zimbabwe
It depends on the skills of the personnel you are putting up for the project. if the project team is technically sound and capable, then any project manager can fit into the system without challenges. However being a construction Project Manager with all my training and skills oriented towards construction i would need a longer learning curve for the non construction industry i would be going into. I would prefer an IT project manager to the non IT manager just to avoid the unknown fear of insulting the IT professionals working so hard to attain that position. The appointment of a non IT project manager maybe a clear message that the organisation does not have a career development plan for its junior project managers or assistant project managers. Saving Changes...
As I said my comment is based entirely on my experience and I have reservations on generalizing my own experience.
However I have looked at job openings for IT project managers and for most of them the prior experience working in IT but in a position other than project manager was not appreciated too much.
In many companies you can't get an IT project manager job if you don't have project management experience. The best way to gain project management experience is to start working on an entry level project management position such as project coordinator or junior project manager.
If you have served as a technical lead in several projects but the company you are working in has dedicated employees for managing projects then your chances to actually become a project manager are virtually non-existent. The only chance is to accept a much lower salary to start at an entry level position and then in a couple of years maybe you can get you old salary back.
These dedicated project managers however don't actually lead the teams in the traditional sense (giving instructions or orders) but instead ,as Sergio said, they engage the stakeholders. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Sandeep what you wrote is,totally right, unfortunatelly. And that is true from a lot of,years ago. Jobs opening (most of them around the,world) demmands people with lot of ezperience including specific domain and search for a person with a baseball bat on hand running behind multitasking people to make thungs happend. In my case I was fortunate and I have been working in lot of quit different domains. And you are right about sometumes I have to accept low payment to work in a domain Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
So, here comes were personal drcission based on personal estimation comes. If you ask me make the best,estimation based on your personal situation, the market situation and the job offers and go ahead. Remember that sharks, the most,sofisticated animal in the world, dies if they do not move on. Saving Changes...
An individual with information systems, IT infrastructure, tools, project management life cycle and processes, system development life cycle and processes, technologies, architecture, databases, and a good understanding of the whole bunch of terminologies associated with computers and communications is mandatory in order to successfully manage an IT project. Saving Changes...
A strong PM should be able to transition from industry to industry, or technology to technology, and lead effectively, as long as they have complementary skill sets within the project team, that contribute as SMEs and/or technical leads. I've had the privilege of working on software, product development, office fitouts and IT projects/programmes, and have enjoyed the variety.
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Mar 07, 2016 3:50 AM
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While it is true that project managers could change industry it is also true that project managers who are not also subject matter experts will face a set of limitations while they are doing their work.
For instance the most important decisions that directly affect the team members are technical in nature. Team member don't care too much about project management related issues such as managing scope, stakeholders, budget and risk but all they care about is the technical approach to use in order to build the products or the services that have to be delivered.
A project manager who is not also a subject matter expert will virtually be excluded from the decision process used by the team members to build the products. The project manager can only check that the team members do understand what needs to be delivered and that they have an idea on what needs to be done. The project manager however does not have the capacity to tell whether or not the actions that the team members are about to perform will actually bring the project to success.
Non technical project managers are basically forced to blindly trust their team members on all technical issues and they have very little control in this matter. If the team members end up being slowed down or stopped by purely technical difficulties then the project manager will not be able to do much to help.
Non technical project managers also can't use a more directive leadership style when one is needed as they lack the capacity to formulate the instructions or orders to be given to the team members.
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sandeep KharbandaSales manager| Vanderlande IndustriesPune, Maharashtra, India
Hello Ajam,
Thanks a lot for your reply.
I don't think it's easy to become project manager in IT industry either.However, I still believe when it come to project management of large project, it's all about your skills of project Managment to execute the project.
For any technical skills each company have technical lead, if company is expecting project manage to be technical as well then it will directly impact his/ her abilities to perform the project management activities.
In case of small project where budget is always limited , organisation expect PM to lead technical activities as well, in that case the importance of relevant experience is must.
Have a good day