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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
I was reading a nice article in the Elizabeth Harrin blog.
In this article Elizabeth 4 different tools:
- In the Initiation Phase, use cost estimates.
- In the Planning Phase (which they call Definition), use a budget.
- In the Execution phase, use cost monitoring.
- In the Closing phase, use financial evaluation.
Basically I work as described in this article. Particularly in the budgeting phase I tend to apply Pareto rules focusing my attention in the most important element, which I analyze in a deeply manner; and maintain a more basic cost estimate for the elements without a strong economical impact (in this case, when it is needed, I develop them in the execution phase.
I'd like to know if you work with a similar method or you use a different one.
in this last case, may you describe how do you work?
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Anonymous
Just to clarify; Initiating, Planning, Executing are process groups not project phases. If they are used as project phases this would be proper on small and simple projects with a few people involved
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1 reply by fosco frongia
Mar 19, 2016 5:16 AM
fosco frongia
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Thanks Mounir for the specification, in the PMI definition Initiating, Planning, Execution, Closing are 4 of 5 process groups.
As commented in my previous post I was relating an article by Elizabeth Harrin. I cited directly her definition and maintained it for coherence. I understand she didn't made a direct correlation with PMI definition but used the word as synonymous of time, moment etc.
Please note she was citing other article:

"In Project-Driven Creation, Jo Bos, Ernst Harting and Marlet Hesslelink talk about 4 instruments for cost control – and by ‘instruments’ they mean tools.

They describe 4 different tools that you can use as your project progresses.

In the Initiation Phase, use cost estimates.
In the Planning Phase (which they call Definition), use a budget.
In the Execution phase, use cost monitoring.
In the Closing phase, use financial evaluation."

Perhaps she maintained the definition for coherence too, I don't know.
In any case, for more precision, I think we have to read the word "phase" as synonyms of "time" or moment
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Fosco - if you estimate in execution, what do you use as estimate before approval - or only high level?

I think to answer your question we need to understand your project life cycle and the types of projects you work on.

Ideally,

In term of process groups: you estimate in the planning process group not executing

In term of project life cycle, you could have two or more estimates in the various phases of the project
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1 reply by fosco frongia
Mar 19, 2016 5:26 AM
fosco frongia
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thanks Mounir,
I'm in the construction field. when i have to preapre the construction budget i focus my attention in the most important items which represents around 90% of budget value, in this case the effort is done for having very detailed estimate . Other items (e.g. furniture, cabinet works) in this phase are evaluated only high level due to they are items that normally you have to purchase at the end of the construction process (after 1 - 1,5 years) and cost could be change or products could be not in market anymore.
I agree with your comment
Thanks
Fosco
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Estimation and Re-Estimation is a continuous process throughout the lifecycle of the project. You start with a ROM then refine your estimate and determine a budget and monitor / control to make sure you are on budget and re-estimate to calculate the EAC.
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1 reply by fosco frongia
Mar 19, 2016 5:41 AM
fosco frongia
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correct Rami, this is the correct process. In my case, due to I normally use a fixed price contract for general contractor (like you I'm in civil construction field). For this reason the process you describe is not applied to general contractor (after contract signature off course) but more effectively for minor items (furniture, wood finishes etc.) and change order for contingency not included in the general contractor contract. Concerning minor Items I think is better to have an high level estimate at the beginning which you can improve when it is necessary (these items normally are necessary 1 - 1,5 years after construction start - and costs can change in the meantime or some of them are not in production anymore)
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Thanks Mounir for the specification, in the PMI definition Initiating, Planning, Execution, Closing are 4 of 5 process groups.
As commented in my previous post I was relating an article by Elizabeth Harrin. I cited directly her definition and maintained it for coherence. I understand she didn't made a direct correlation with PMI definition but used the word as synonymous of time, moment etc.
Please note she was citing other article:

"In Project-Driven Creation, Jo Bos, Ernst Harting and Marlet Hesslelink talk about 4 instruments for cost control – and by ‘instruments’ they mean tools.

They describe 4 different tools that you can use as your project progresses.

In the Initiation Phase, use cost estimates.
In the Planning Phase (which they call Definition), use a budget.
In the Execution phase, use cost monitoring.
In the Closing phase, use financial evaluation."

Perhaps she maintained the definition for coherence too, I don't know.
In any case, for more precision, I think we have to read the word "phase" as synonyms of "time" or moment
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
thanks Mounir,
I'm in the construction field. when i have to preapre the construction budget i focus my attention in the most important items which represents around 90% of budget value, in this case the effort is done for having very detailed estimate . Other items (e.g. furniture, cabinet works) in this phase are evaluated only high level due to they are items that normally you have to purchase at the end of the construction process (after 1 - 1,5 years) and cost could be change or products could be not in market anymore.
I agree with your comment
Thanks
Fosco
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
Mar 18, 2016 1:12 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Estimation and Re-Estimation is a continuous process throughout the lifecycle of the project. You start with a ROM then refine your estimate and determine a budget and monitor / control to make sure you are on budget and re-estimate to calculate the EAC.
correct Rami, this is the correct process. In my case, due to I normally use a fixed price contract for general contractor (like you I'm in civil construction field). For this reason the process you describe is not applied to general contractor (after contract signature off course) but more effectively for minor items (furniture, wood finishes etc.) and change order for contingency not included in the general contractor contract. Concerning minor Items I think is better to have an high level estimate at the beginning which you can improve when it is necessary (these items normally are necessary 1 - 1,5 years after construction start - and costs can change in the meantime or some of them are not in production anymore)
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Mar 19, 2016 7:15 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Glad to know we are in the same field. In case of FP Contracts, we usually estimate and prepare a budget before sending out tenders for bidding. When you have FFP, I agree its difficult to do savings and sometimes changes are huge but usually we use FP with Incentive.
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Anonymous
Mar 19, 2016 5:16 AM
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Thanks Mounir for the specification, in the PMI definition Initiating, Planning, Execution, Closing are 4 of 5 process groups.
As commented in my previous post I was relating an article by Elizabeth Harrin. I cited directly her definition and maintained it for coherence. I understand she didn't made a direct correlation with PMI definition but used the word as synonymous of time, moment etc.
Please note she was citing other article:

"In Project-Driven Creation, Jo Bos, Ernst Harting and Marlet Hesslelink talk about 4 instruments for cost control – and by ‘instruments’ they mean tools.

They describe 4 different tools that you can use as your project progresses.

In the Initiation Phase, use cost estimates.
In the Planning Phase (which they call Definition), use a budget.
In the Execution phase, use cost monitoring.
In the Closing phase, use financial evaluation."

Perhaps she maintained the definition for coherence too, I don't know.
In any case, for more precision, I think we have to read the word "phase" as synonyms of "time" or moment
Unfortunately - many people confuse phases with process groups and there are many "experts" who published blogs, videos, and even case studies on PMI owned sites that confused the two.

I wrote to PMI in the past that there should be a disclaimer clarifying the difference but unfortunately no action.

As you noticed from my answer - when we talked about numerous project management actions and processes it makes a difference if we are talking from a process group perspective or a project life cycle perspectives.

Regards
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1 reply by fosco frongia
Mar 19, 2016 7:03 AM
fosco frongia
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thanks for the note Mounir, I would specify better the matter in my first post.
I think now is clearer
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Anonymous
Mar 19, 2016 5:26 AM
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thanks Mounir,
I'm in the construction field. when i have to preapre the construction budget i focus my attention in the most important items which represents around 90% of budget value, in this case the effort is done for having very detailed estimate . Other items (e.g. furniture, cabinet works) in this phase are evaluated only high level due to they are items that normally you have to purchase at the end of the construction process (after 1 - 1,5 years) and cost could be change or products could be not in market anymore.
I agree with your comment
Thanks
Fosco
Noted - and agree
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1 reply by fosco frongia
Mar 19, 2016 7:04 AM
fosco frongia
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thanks
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
thanks for the note Mounir, I would specify better the matter in my first post.
I think now is clearer
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fosco frongia Senior project manager| ENTE PATRIMONIALE CHIESA GESU' CRISTO SUG Fino Mornasco, Como, Italy
thanks
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