Can we Start with Process Groups Instead of Knowledge Areas
Ahmed SanadProject Director| Siemens EnergyDubai, United Arab Emirates
Hello All,
Hope everyone is fine.
I'm looking for your support and help as usual.
I'm working on a PMP Training conducted by me.
One of the attendees asked me if we can conduct the course on a "Process Group" basis, not a "Knowledge area basis", he means that we can start the course by "Initiation" , then we can work on "Develop Charter" & "Identify Stakeholders".then we go with Planning, and so on.......
will it help or it'll confuse them more ?
Need you opinions.
Many Thanks In advance.
Best Regards,
Ahmed Sanad Saving Changes...
Our courses are based on process groups with general modules at the beginning. We do not do the class by knowledge areas. It is easier by knowledge areas for a starting person since it is easier to go chapter by chapter and ITTO ---- which, we do not like. Saving Changes...
Hau Doan HuuAsst CEO in IT and DX, cum DCIO| Vietnam PostHanoi, Hanoi, Viet Nam
Hi Ahmed,
Of course we can do the course based on process groups. But, as Mr Mounir said, it is much easier to go through Knowledge areas. Our course usually conduct on Knowledge area basis and use Process Group basis for final review sesion Saving Changes...
Ahmed SanadProject Director| Siemens EnergyDubai, United Arab Emirates
Attendees at my course mentioned that it'll be easier for them to get the training on a "Process Group" basis. that's why i asked will it be easier or more complicated for them ? as i know it's all applicable, but i'm asking about the most beneficial way to do so. Saving Changes...
Hau Doan HuuAsst CEO in IT and DX, cum DCIO| Vietnam PostHanoi, Hanoi, Viet Nam
In fact which is more complicated is depending on the back ground of the attendees. If they find it is easier way it will be easier for you to conduct the course. Saving Changes...
Ahmed SanadProject Director| Siemens EnergyDubai, United Arab Emirates
It's all about their expectations, they may expect that it'll be easier, and when i conduct it that way, they will not find it easier.
As they don't have any PMP background. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Ahmed
In general, it is easier for the "Instructor" to do it by knowledge area. No offense but this way a new trainer can copy paste from the PMBOK Guide most of the content. Especially those who depend on ITTO. By the way - it is easier but not necessarily better; except for exam purposes.
However, to learn - truly learn project management - the participants will find it easier to understand and more logical to do it the process group way. For an inexperienced "instructor" it is usually difficult to develop the content since it is not an easy copy-paste job.
The way we facilitate PMBOK training is that we cover the general info first, then focus on project life cycle, and next will be the process groups. In our classes we also cover the gaps and inconsistencies in the PMBOK Guide.
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2 replies by Ahmed Sanad and Hau Doan Huu
Mar 29, 2016 6:37 AM
Hau Doan Huu
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Nice way!
I love it
Mar 29, 2016 7:35 AM
Ahmed Sanad
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I totally agree with you Mr.Mounir,
And i think that next times i'll work on the training to be "Process Group" basis, as i found their request feasible as per my judgment, as the process groups will make the content sequential to them, while it is not same way if we do it on "knowledge area" basis.
I'll work on my material to update it accordingly.
Many thanks for your input.
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Hau Doan HuuAsst CEO in IT and DX, cum DCIO| Vietnam PostHanoi, Hanoi, Viet Nam
If they have PM background, they can easy see high level of purpose, definition, and mechanism of processes, thus you can conduct the course in new way.
If they have not had any background on Project management field, you should explain to them the logical relationships of Processes in each KA are more tightly than in Groups. And it also have its own right sequence in KA. If they walk through Groups, they will not be able to imagine the holistic picture of PMP.
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1 reply by Ahmed Sanad
Mar 29, 2016 7:37 AM
Ahmed Sanad
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Dear Doan,
actually i understand it the opposite way, as i think if you are experienced in PM , so you will find it easy to attend the course on "knowledge area" basis, as you will not find it difficult to find overlap between knowledge areas, while if you are not experienced one, it'll be easier for you to deal with project life cycle, which will not have overlap activities or processes during the course, you may find iterations in between , but no complete overlap.
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Hau Doan HuuAsst CEO in IT and DX, cum DCIO| Vietnam PostHanoi, Hanoi, Viet Nam
Nice way!
I love it Saving Changes...
Ahmed SanadProject Director| Siemens EnergyDubai, United Arab Emirates
I totally agree with you Mr.Mounir,
And i think that next times i'll work on the training to be "Process Group" basis, as i found their request feasible as per my judgment, as the process groups will make the content sequential to them, while it is not same way if we do it on "knowledge area" basis.
I'll work on my material to update it accordingly.
Many thanks for your input. Saving Changes...
Ahmed SanadProject Director| Siemens EnergyDubai, United Arab Emirates
Mar 29, 2016 6:34 AM
Replying to Hau Doan Huu
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If they have PM background, they can easy see high level of purpose, definition, and mechanism of processes, thus you can conduct the course in new way.
If they have not had any background on Project management field, you should explain to them the logical relationships of Processes in each KA are more tightly than in Groups. And it also have its own right sequence in KA. If they walk through Groups, they will not be able to imagine the holistic picture of PMP.
Dear Doan,
actually i understand it the opposite way, as i think if you are experienced in PM , so you will find it easy to attend the course on "knowledge area" basis, as you will not find it difficult to find overlap between knowledge areas, while if you are not experienced one, it'll be easier for you to deal with project life cycle, which will not have overlap activities or processes during the course, you may find iterations in between , but no complete overlap. Saving Changes...
