saurabh mahajanPMP, ITIL, PRINCE2| vodafonePune, Maharashtra, India
If the intent is to only manage changes then why not follow change management procedures ?
because in any case proper change management strategy in place is required be it agile or waterfall model. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
I really like your statement, because instead to said "agile project managment" (totally wrong) you are saying to integrate agile into project management. The first thing I have to say, after working with agile for the very begining and after leading my seventh initiative to implement agile is: I am infering from your statement that you are assuming that thanks to implement agile your process will be more adaptable to changes. Let me say TOTALLY WRONG (sorry about the capital letter). That is because some people perhaps is exhausted to read me in each forum I can participate saying: you need to understand what agile really is. And remember this: suppose you need your process more adaptable to changes. You can achieve that without use agile. Suppose you use agile. You have to understand that the whole organization is impacted. Saving Changes...
John Caron, MBA, PMP, CSMVP - Technology Project Solutions Consultant| Bank of AmericaJacksonville, Fl, United States
Sergio, are you indicating to introduce to executive leadership with a small Agile team, less than seven with supporting data i.e. show how many traditional projects have exceeded budget, cancelled and more? I value your insight with your credentials. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
I hate to do this but it is not enough room here to explain my point. To understand what agile is here is a short article the PM Network has published this month: http://www.pmnetwork-digital.com/pmnetwork/april_2016?pg=73#pg73. But please go to the basement and search for Mr. Rick Dove´s work named "Response Ability" which contains most of the results of USA DoD NSF/Agility Forum (I was part). On the other side, to be successful we need to understand each initiative from the systemic point of view. Here is how to do that: http://www.projectmanagement.com/blog/How-...nalysis/15655/. MY POINT IS: there is a missunderstanding about what agile is. Top level management said about agile: "thanks agile we will deliver products faster", "thanks agile we will change things no matter the point of the process we are", "thanks agile we will have self directed teams" and a lot of other things. Most of the people think that agile is SCRUM or a method. Totally wrong. And whe worst thing: do not understand that each thing you change in your environment will impact the whole organizational architecture (componentes and relations). Then, about the post, after analyzing your current situation by using the tool and method I descrbed in my blog post or any other method you can understand the problem, if exists. Because as you know, problem is the difference between perceived reality and desire reality. And both are subjective matters. Saving Changes...
Lawrence CooperCreator, Lean-Agile Strategy| AdaptiveOrg Inc.Kanata, Ontario, Canada
Andrew - project "management" and agile are the antithesis of one another. Project leadership on the other hand is a different matter. I gave a webinar on this back in February that you might find useful http://www.projectmanagement.com/videos/31...uestion-matter- Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
With all my due respect Lawrence, I fully disagree with you. Agile is compatible with project management (for example with the PMBOK if you follow the PMI way) and project management is compatible with agile. Both are not antithesis. The problem is when people (not your case) mix method, process (life cycle) and principles or phylosophy. Agile is totally independient of method and methodology, or life cycle. I am leading my seventh initiative in this field. Indeed, you can argue that some techniques inside the PMBOK could not be applied in agile environments and that is because the PMI has delivered an agile software extension (I was part).
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2 replies by Lawrence Cooper and Suhail Iqbal
Apr 13, 2016 10:36 PM
Suhail Iqbal
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I fully agree with Sergio.
Apr 14, 2016 6:53 AM
Lawrence Cooper
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And with all due respect right back at you, I am not talking about methods and Bok's - I am talking about mindset and behaviours. The role of a anyone as "manager" is the antithesis of agile thinking.
With all my due respect Lawrence, I fully disagree with you. Agile is compatible with project management (for example with the PMBOK if you follow the PMI way) and project management is compatible with agile. Both are not antithesis. The problem is when people (not your case) mix method, process (life cycle) and principles or phylosophy. Agile is totally independient of method and methodology, or life cycle. I am leading my seventh initiative in this field. Indeed, you can argue that some techniques inside the PMBOK could not be applied in agile environments and that is because the PMI has delivered an agile software extension (I was part).
I fully agree with Sergio. Saving Changes...
Lawrence CooperCreator, Lean-Agile Strategy| AdaptiveOrg Inc.Kanata, Ontario, Canada
Apr 13, 2016 5:58 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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With all my due respect Lawrence, I fully disagree with you. Agile is compatible with project management (for example with the PMBOK if you follow the PMI way) and project management is compatible with agile. Both are not antithesis. The problem is when people (not your case) mix method, process (life cycle) and principles or phylosophy. Agile is totally independient of method and methodology, or life cycle. I am leading my seventh initiative in this field. Indeed, you can argue that some techniques inside the PMBOK could not be applied in agile environments and that is because the PMI has delivered an agile software extension (I was part).
And with all due respect right back at you, I am not talking about methods and Bok's - I am talking about mindset and behaviours. The role of a anyone as "manager" is the antithesis of agile thinking. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Now I understood Lawrence. I saw your presentations and I really undestood other thing (english is not my first language). Fully agree with you. Agile is mindset and behaivours. And about manager role generally speaking I agree with you. Just one comment on that.. In some places management is about direct something and take decisions. I could say that is the definition inside the mind of most of the organizations. For the PMI is about to apply knowledge. So, we can say (and it is the approach I have used for years to implement project management inside organizations) that if we agree with the PMI point of view then you can use quit different management styles (servant leadership for example) in multiple environments. So, management and manager role, is still valid in agile depending on you management style. Saving Changes...
Lawrence CooperCreator, Lean-Agile Strategy| AdaptiveOrg Inc.Kanata, Ontario, Canada
I prefer leadership style over management style...but yes. The issue with continuing to use the old terms is that most do not make the mental transition. It's hard to undo 20, 30, 40 years and more of thinking that started in grade school around command and control and flip it to agile thinking overnight.
A slide I use in my training (and was a blog post) is about having to unlearn the old ways before we can fully embrace the new. :)
BTW - I am about to release an Adaptive Strategy Framework that is focused on strategic iteration over strategic planning. Am working with a major scrum organization on a white paper about it and their work - and also with AXELOS about what it means to ITIL, RESILIA, and their PPM suite (MoV, M_o_R, MOP, MSP).
The framework document will be free. I'll be doing a webinar on my BrightTalk channel at the end of May around its release. Saving Changes...
