I know this is a PMI owned website but I also know it is supposed to be open to other platforms.
What trigger this post is a message from another user that "There is no reputable certification ... outside of PMI"
Therefore, the intent is not to market for these organization, especially that I am not associated with most of them. I pose this question to see how many people are aware of other professional associations in the project management world.
The question is - how many people here know about:
1. GPM Global and what they do? 2. asapm and what they do? 3. IPMA and their work and certification? 4. How about AACE International? 5. SAVE International 6. GAPPS? 7. APM?
Please share what you know - there is no shame in not knowing. We are exposed to certain things and not exposed to others. Saving Changes...
Just for comparison - in the USA - a PE in one state is not necessarily recognized in another state (to my knowledge).
Also I have a Master Degree in Engineering and it is my understanding that in some USA states I will not be allowed to call myself an Engineer unless I have the PE license.
I see project management the same way - many people could have MS in PM or MPM but with a charter status now we have a licensed PM and non-licensed PM (Only in UK - but it is not final yet). If some states in the USA decide to license PM - would not be the same way?
To me licensing PM is a good thing since professional associations (PMI and others) have made the certification as a commodity business with many certificate holders have no idea what real project management is.
Just watch some of the threads here by people who are actually teaching PM classes. Saving Changes...
Julia CunninghamManager Project Management| BattelleRichland, Wa, United States
Some states within the US grant reciprocity to PEs, while others do not as states have latitude to set individual minimum standards (education, degree type, etc), although the test is a national test.
I have staff members who are members of AACE International as well as certification holders, as well as CMAA. We see them as complimentary, not competing. Saving Changes...
John Caron, MBA, PMP, CSMVP - Technology Project Solutions Consultant| Bank of AmericaJacksonville, Fl, United States
To clarify my aforementioned abbreviate quote, I stated, "I'm certain you learned after a few pages of reading or simply reviewing the PMI website their is no greater recognized or reputable certification in project management outside of the PMI". The original question, paraphrased, was an inquiry from an individual asking about a Masters in Project Management and the merit/weight this carries, again, paraphrased.
If you read the first part, (which was omitted from this thread) "I'm certain you learned after a few pages of reading or simply reviewing the PMI website....." I was not comparing this to other PM websites, I merely indicated the marketing of PMI. I will not comment on terms of individuals who find fault with PMI and their marketing or any other certification agency. Too many people have mentioned to me negative comments and I will not proliferate such comments.
Now read the following, "PMI is the world’s largest not-for-profit membership association for the project management profession". Did you catch the word "world's" ? My comment was factored on the first sentence - http://www.pmi.org/About-Us/About-Us-What-is-PMI.aspx Saving Changes...
Some states within the US grant reciprocity to PEs, while others do not as states have latitude to set individual minimum standards (education, degree type, etc), although the test is a national test.
I have staff members who are members of AACE International as well as certification holders, as well as CMAA. We see them as complimentary, not competing.
Hi Julia
This is line with my view - as an engineer with a Master Degree - if a state does not want to recognize me without a PE license - should universities sue the states for discrimination? This is one of the point of the debate on why PMI is trying to prevent a charter status in UK applied for by APM. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Apr 25, 2016 4:53 PM
Replying to John Caron, MBA, PMP, CSM
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To clarify my aforementioned abbreviate quote, I stated, "I'm certain you learned after a few pages of reading or simply reviewing the PMI website their is no greater recognized or reputable certification in project management outside of the PMI". The original question, paraphrased, was an inquiry from an individual asking about a Masters in Project Management and the merit/weight this carries, again, paraphrased.
If you read the first part, (which was omitted from this thread) "I'm certain you learned after a few pages of reading or simply reviewing the PMI website....." I was not comparing this to other PM websites, I merely indicated the marketing of PMI. I will not comment on terms of individuals who find fault with PMI and their marketing or any other certification agency. Too many people have mentioned to me negative comments and I will not proliferate such comments.
Now read the following, "PMI is the world’s largest not-for-profit membership association for the project management profession". Did you catch the word "world's" ? My comment was factored on the first sentence - http://www.pmi.org/About-Us/About-Us-What-is-PMI.aspx
John
I did not mention who said that quote but since you came on this thread - let us look at the other point you raised.
You said in the other thread and repeating here: "I'm certain you learned after a few pages of reading or simply reviewing the PMI website their is no greater recognized or reputable certification in project management outside of the PMI".
Great - this is just prove my point - what did you expect people on a PMI website to promote? PRINCE2? IPMA-C? AS you see from this post - many have not heard of these various organizations or only know of their existence - so they cannot make a comparison.
Further, just because you do not know something (by choice or lack of knowledge) that does not mean it is not reputable.
PMI being the largest - that does not mean
1. It is the best
2. All others are NOT reputable Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Apr 25, 2016 9:48 AM
Replying to STEVE BOEDECKER
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Are any worth investigating, joining, certifying for? I mean, everything is worth certification in the global context given personal time and money, but ONLY one I have ever seen requested in Job Requirements is PMP.
Steve
A few years back, the PMP was starting to decline and the number of PMP in the world were dropping - this is not an opinion - I have the statistics on this. Then the global crisis hit and many people lost their job. At that time - when there was an open position hundreds of CVs arrived so recruiter started to use the PMP as a requirement in order for their software that scan CV - segregate the PMP from Non-PMP to reduce the stacks of CVs. This was mostly in the USA.
This is why you see PMP is required and sometime it is used without understanding. Also, this is why many people with 20 years experience and successful started to go for the PMP - only to get their CV considered. Saving Changes...
Just a side remark: Here in Germany you found IPMA/GPM and PRINCE certificates as requirement or as advantage besides PMP in job opportunities (employers didn't care which, just that you have a certificate). Currently I find more IPMA/GPM or PRINCE than PMP in the opportunities (no statistics, just personal empiricism) - many companies think PMP is more process/formal, IPMA/GPM more soft-skill oriented, which is currently very popular in the industries I work in. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Dear Rolf
Thank you - I know that in UK PRINCE2 is dominant; in my region (Arabian Gulf) PRINCE2 is second to the PMP but people do not know about IPMA or GPM.
In my view, an organization who really believe in project management should consider a blend from these various organizations. For example, PMI (PMBOK Guide) and ISO 21500 are mostly process focused, PRINCE2 is method, IPMA is about competence (including soft skills as you said).
I agree. In a PMI roundtable some months ago, the Speaker - an experienced PM - stated, that a good PM should have a "bazar of PM methods and Frameworks" and use the one that best fits the situation, team, project and Environment - he called it Situative or Situational Project Management. I think he's right, you should use, what fits best your situation - one approach is not enough most of the time, a wise mixture is. (Topic of roundtable had been agile vs. traditional - but discussion was broader.= Saving Changes...
