Justin WortleyProject Manager| Quicken LoansDetroit, Mi, United States
Today I learned that PMI auditing is less effective than TSA screening at the airport. /s
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2 replies by Markus Kopko and Stéphane Parent
May 01, 2016 6:46 PM
Stéphane Parent
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What do you feel would make the auditing process more effective, Justin?
May 02, 2016 6:04 AM
Markus Kopko
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Hi Justin,
why do you think so? I was audited and i can asure you, it was ...
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Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
May 01, 2016 6:00 PM
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Today I learned that PMI auditing is less effective than TSA screening at the airport. /s
What do you feel would make the auditing process more effective, Justin?
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1 reply by Justin Wortley
May 01, 2016 10:18 PM
Justin Wortley
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Stéphane,
I think it's a two step issue.
1. The auditing process should exclude the unqualified to uphold the value of the PMI brand.
2. The auditing process itself should be something effective but not over-reaching - in order to maintain the brand you have to not make the application process so daunting that it steers people away from the certification. If people stop pursuing the PMP, it stops becoming valuable to prospective employers.
For #1 - the approach I would take is to create some baselines for the hour requirements. I don't necessarily know who or what they are but by creating the baselines you can use formulas and algorithms to better narrow the selection process for auditing. The audit process shouldn't be designed up front to exclude, just to validate. This way everyone has an equal chance of being audited, and those that have project data that deviates from the typical breakdown gets flagged.
For #2 - I'd have the entire application process completed before you're required to pay the application fee. This way you can get your audit completed, and if you're approved then you know you won't have any further roadblocks before scheduling your exam.
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
Stephane, very interesting discussion...
I was also audited on my Third application.
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
May 01, 2016 7:36 PM
Stéphane Parent
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Which certification was it, George?
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Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
May 01, 2016 7:16 PM
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Stephane, very interesting discussion...
I was also audited on my Third application.
Which certification was it, George?
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1 reply by George Lewis
May 01, 2016 7:38 PM
George Lewis
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
May 01, 2016 7:36 PM
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Which certification was it, George?
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Justin WortleyProject Manager| Quicken LoansDetroit, Mi, United States
May 01, 2016 6:46 PM
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What do you feel would make the auditing process more effective, Justin?
Stéphane,
I think it's a two step issue.
1. The auditing process should exclude the unqualified to uphold the value of the PMI brand.
2. The auditing process itself should be something effective but not over-reaching - in order to maintain the brand you have to not make the application process so daunting that it steers people away from the certification. If people stop pursuing the PMP, it stops becoming valuable to prospective employers.
For #1 - the approach I would take is to create some baselines for the hour requirements. I don't necessarily know who or what they are but by creating the baselines you can use formulas and algorithms to better narrow the selection process for auditing. The audit process shouldn't be designed up front to exclude, just to validate. This way everyone has an equal chance of being audited, and those that have project data that deviates from the typical breakdown gets flagged.
For #2 - I'd have the entire application process completed before you're required to pay the application fee. This way you can get your audit completed, and if you're approved then you know you won't have any further roadblocks before scheduling your exam.
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2 replies by George Lewis and Stéphane Parent
May 01, 2016 10:43 PM
George Lewis
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Justin - I would want to hear what a PMI spokeperson have to reply with such a good argument as you post. :)
I would even take it further, why not eliminate auditing, you should have all the requirements validated up front for everyone, even before you pay.
Anyway it's just a thought.
May 02, 2016 5:41 AM
Stéphane Parent
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You bring forward some interesting points, Justin. Thanks for sharing.
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George LewisProgram/Project Manager| DXC Technology CompanyHeredia, Costa Rica
May 01, 2016 10:18 PM
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Stéphane,
I think it's a two step issue.
1. The auditing process should exclude the unqualified to uphold the value of the PMI brand.
2. The auditing process itself should be something effective but not over-reaching - in order to maintain the brand you have to not make the application process so daunting that it steers people away from the certification. If people stop pursuing the PMP, it stops becoming valuable to prospective employers.
For #1 - the approach I would take is to create some baselines for the hour requirements. I don't necessarily know who or what they are but by creating the baselines you can use formulas and algorithms to better narrow the selection process for auditing. The audit process shouldn't be designed up front to exclude, just to validate. This way everyone has an equal chance of being audited, and those that have project data that deviates from the typical breakdown gets flagged.
For #2 - I'd have the entire application process completed before you're required to pay the application fee. This way you can get your audit completed, and if you're approved then you know you won't have any further roadblocks before scheduling your exam.
Justin - I would want to hear what a PMI spokeperson have to reply with such a good argument as you post. :)
I would even take it further, why not eliminate auditing, you should have all the requirements validated up front for everyone, even before you pay.
Anyway it's just a thought.
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
May 02, 2016 5:43 AM
Stéphane Parent
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Besides avoiding being a deterrent, as Justin mentioned, I suppose PMI has chosen to do it sparingly to not weigh down the application intake process.
I didn't get audited for my PMP but some colleagues did. At my company we would say about 10% get audited like our training partner told us. Since the training partner told us to do like Sergio explained, my colleages had not problems due to the preparation and pre-information the people they noted in the application. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
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Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
May 01, 2016 10:18 PM
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Stéphane,
I think it's a two step issue.
1. The auditing process should exclude the unqualified to uphold the value of the PMI brand.
2. The auditing process itself should be something effective but not over-reaching - in order to maintain the brand you have to not make the application process so daunting that it steers people away from the certification. If people stop pursuing the PMP, it stops becoming valuable to prospective employers.
For #1 - the approach I would take is to create some baselines for the hour requirements. I don't necessarily know who or what they are but by creating the baselines you can use formulas and algorithms to better narrow the selection process for auditing. The audit process shouldn't be designed up front to exclude, just to validate. This way everyone has an equal chance of being audited, and those that have project data that deviates from the typical breakdown gets flagged.
For #2 - I'd have the entire application process completed before you're required to pay the application fee. This way you can get your audit completed, and if you're approved then you know you won't have any further roadblocks before scheduling your exam.
You bring forward some interesting points, Justin. Thanks for sharing. Saving Changes...
