Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Dec 01, 2016 5:25 PM
Replying to Mayte Mata Sivera
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@Rami, Based on my personal experience...
At the moment that a hiring manager says to me: "I know that I can't ask that, but, you know, this is a very important IT project, and, you know, I need to ensure my resources, and sorry for ask and please don't answer you don't want...Are you thinking about getting pregnant in the next months?"
Have you ever heard this? I have men friends project managers that never heard this question. Nobody asks a guy, hey, do you want to be a dad in next months?
From my point of view, there is inequality not only in project management, in a lot of other professions. There are a lot of salary reports show that women salary are less than men (also in project management if you'll check the last survey) same position, same experience...
Was only in 1920 that the women can vote in the USA, 1931 in Spain. There are only three countries New Zealand (1893), Australia (1902) and Finland where women have been able to vote for more than a century.
Do you think that in less than hundred years we already have the gender equality? I don't think so, step by step, we can get it, but there is a lot of work to do.
Maria, I know there is absolutely lingering bias against women in the workplace (much of it coming from women, by the way), but I hope you have a good HR department or an attorney if you're getting questions like that at work. Asking such questions opens employers up to a variety of discrimination suits under different laws, such as the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (1978) and the Family Medical Leave Act (1993).
While I'm playing amateur attorney, let's be careful with some of the calls for salary research. Yes, it'd be nice to show how project managers are paid and whether we're an equal profession, but groups can (and have) run afoul of the Federal Trade Commission (US) for perceived antitrust concerns if they survey and publish salaries. There are ways of doing this legally, obviously, but I wouldn't wade into those waters without professionals. I also have no idea what the requirements are in other nations.
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3 replies by Mayte Mata Sivera, Rami Kaibni, and Vincent Guerard
Dec 02, 2016 1:39 PM
Mayte Mata Sivera
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@Wade, that's a good open point bias against women coming from women. We are witches! :)
I appreciate your comments and your notes about US legislation maybe will be useful for someone. At the moment, I don't belong to any company, I'm only looking for a new opportunity, and when I've seen this post, a few days ago I had a bad experience in a job interview. That make me think that inequality exists.
I hope that was only a punctual non-expert hiring manager, but coming back to the first discussion topic, this question makes me think that inequality nowadays exists.
Dec 02, 2016 2:43 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Wade, Great Input and Explanation.I agree with your point of view.
Dec 04, 2016 8:29 PM
Vincent Guerard
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Wade
Bias by women against women, probably a way to get "accepted". In some profession I have also the feeling women are going "by the book" to avoid some comments for male in their work place.
It is sad but until equality is reach, it will append.
Our organization believe in equal opportunity, and takes this very seriously. There are leadership managing both Portfolio & Program, and many Projects.
@Anupam, I've worked in Big organizations and that's true, they believe, promote and it's a very serious topic. Outside of bigs, I only shared my concerns because not always happen. Saving Changes...
Maria, I know there is absolutely lingering bias against women in the workplace (much of it coming from women, by the way), but I hope you have a good HR department or an attorney if you're getting questions like that at work. Asking such questions opens employers up to a variety of discrimination suits under different laws, such as the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (1978) and the Family Medical Leave Act (1993).
While I'm playing amateur attorney, let's be careful with some of the calls for salary research. Yes, it'd be nice to show how project managers are paid and whether we're an equal profession, but groups can (and have) run afoul of the Federal Trade Commission (US) for perceived antitrust concerns if they survey and publish salaries. There are ways of doing this legally, obviously, but I wouldn't wade into those waters without professionals. I also have no idea what the requirements are in other nations.
@Wade, that's a good open point bias against women coming from women. We are witches! :)
I appreciate your comments and your notes about US legislation maybe will be useful for someone. At the moment, I don't belong to any company, I'm only looking for a new opportunity, and when I've seen this post, a few days ago I had a bad experience in a job interview. That make me think that inequality exists.
I hope that was only a punctual non-expert hiring manager, but coming back to the first discussion topic, this question makes me think that inequality nowadays exists.
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1 reply by Wade Harshman
Dec 02, 2016 4:19 PM
Wade Harshman
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Take a look at some of the labor protections. No one can promise you a job, but if someone asks inappropriate questions at an interview and then denies you a position for which you are qualified, you may have a path to legal damages. That's why we're not supposed to ask certain types of questions.
Again, I'm not an expert, so you'll need to check with someone who is.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 02, 2016 1:25 PM
Replying to Wade Harshman
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Maria, I know there is absolutely lingering bias against women in the workplace (much of it coming from women, by the way), but I hope you have a good HR department or an attorney if you're getting questions like that at work. Asking such questions opens employers up to a variety of discrimination suits under different laws, such as the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (1978) and the Family Medical Leave Act (1993).
While I'm playing amateur attorney, let's be careful with some of the calls for salary research. Yes, it'd be nice to show how project managers are paid and whether we're an equal profession, but groups can (and have) run afoul of the Federal Trade Commission (US) for perceived antitrust concerns if they survey and publish salaries. There are ways of doing this legally, obviously, but I wouldn't wade into those waters without professionals. I also have no idea what the requirements are in other nations.
Wade, Great Input and Explanation.I agree with your point of view. Saving Changes...
Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Dec 02, 2016 1:39 PM
Replying to Mayte Mata Sivera
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@Wade, that's a good open point bias against women coming from women. We are witches! :)
I appreciate your comments and your notes about US legislation maybe will be useful for someone. At the moment, I don't belong to any company, I'm only looking for a new opportunity, and when I've seen this post, a few days ago I had a bad experience in a job interview. That make me think that inequality exists.
I hope that was only a punctual non-expert hiring manager, but coming back to the first discussion topic, this question makes me think that inequality nowadays exists.
Take a look at some of the labor protections. No one can promise you a job, but if someone asks inappropriate questions at an interview and then denies you a position for which you are qualified, you may have a path to legal damages. That's why we're not supposed to ask certain types of questions.
Again, I'm not an expert, so you'll need to check with someone who is.
Cristal clear that is much better than before, but I think that there are a lot to do.
Only for your info, the longest maternity and paternity leave in Europe is Sweden, with 480 days (16 months). The father is obliged to take less than 60 days + 10 working days from birth. But there is completely accepted and understand that men will leave the job, and there are no prejudices or company owners that think about these matters.
Cultural differences in different countries are key, to understand inequality gender inequality.
I'll work to make the world where the future generations don't have to answer this kind of questions, because in the moment that the question exists, is because of the topic exist.
Hi Maria,
Here, Quebec, Canada, the parenting leave can be taken or split between parents. I don't think that make gender inequality disappear.
I know in some European country, some people mainly women don't talk about their children. To avoid discrimination on getting promotion!
Some field have more discrimination than other, many company have policy that promote equal opportunity.
Yes it is improving. maybe not fast enough ! Saving Changes...
Maria, I know there is absolutely lingering bias against women in the workplace (much of it coming from women, by the way), but I hope you have a good HR department or an attorney if you're getting questions like that at work. Asking such questions opens employers up to a variety of discrimination suits under different laws, such as the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (1978) and the Family Medical Leave Act (1993).
While I'm playing amateur attorney, let's be careful with some of the calls for salary research. Yes, it'd be nice to show how project managers are paid and whether we're an equal profession, but groups can (and have) run afoul of the Federal Trade Commission (US) for perceived antitrust concerns if they survey and publish salaries. There are ways of doing this legally, obviously, but I wouldn't wade into those waters without professionals. I also have no idea what the requirements are in other nations.
Wade
Bias by women against women, probably a way to get "accepted". In some profession I have also the feeling women are going "by the book" to avoid some comments for male in their work place.
It is sad but until equality is reach, it will append. Saving Changes...
I see where one young boy has just passed 500 hours sitting in a treetop. There is a good deal of discussion as to what to do with a civilization that produces prodigies like that. Wouldn't it be a good idea to take his ladder away from him and leave him up there?