Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
In my humble opinion, Project Management is one of the top professions that absolutely has gender equality - It defers depending on the type of the projects and disciplines but as an overall, yes there are equal chances. Saving Changes...
Gail RaynorProgram and Project ManagerLas Vegas, Nv, United States
It would definitely be interesting to see the stats on salaries, job level etc to see how we compare to other industries. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 01, 2016 2:50 PM
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I would like to believe that...but sometimes, in someplace I have serious doubts that this equality is conducted.
Interesting Maria - Do you believe there is gender inequality in project management ? Can you elaborate ?
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1 reply by Mayte Mata Sivera
Dec 01, 2016 5:25 PM
Mayte Mata Sivera
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@Rami, Based on my personal experience...
At the moment that a hiring manager says to me: "I know that I can't ask that, but, you know, this is a very important IT project, and, you know, I need to ensure my resources, and sorry for ask and please don't answer you don't want...Are you thinking about getting pregnant in the next months?"
Have you ever heard this? I have men friends project managers that never heard this question. Nobody asks a guy, hey, do you want to be a dad in next months?
From my point of view, there is inequality not only in project management, in a lot of other professions. There are a lot of salary reports show that women salary are less than men (also in project management if you'll check the last survey) same position, same experience...
Was only in 1920 that the women can vote in the USA, 1931 in Spain. There are only three countries New Zealand (1893), Australia (1902) and Finland where women have been able to vote for more than a century.
Do you think that in less than hundred years we already have the gender equality? I don't think so, step by step, we can get it, but there is a lot of work to do.
Interesting Maria - Do you believe there is gender inequality in project management ? Can you elaborate ?
@Rami, Based on my personal experience...
At the moment that a hiring manager says to me: "I know that I can't ask that, but, you know, this is a very important IT project, and, you know, I need to ensure my resources, and sorry for ask and please don't answer you don't want...Are you thinking about getting pregnant in the next months?"
Have you ever heard this? I have men friends project managers that never heard this question. Nobody asks a guy, hey, do you want to be a dad in next months?
From my point of view, there is inequality not only in project management, in a lot of other professions. There are a lot of salary reports show that women salary are less than men (also in project management if you'll check the last survey) same position, same experience...
Was only in 1920 that the women can vote in the USA, 1931 in Spain. There are only three countries New Zealand (1893), Australia (1902) and Finland where women have been able to vote for more than a century.
Do you think that in less than hundred years we already have the gender equality? I don't think so, step by step, we can get it, but there is a lot of work to do.
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and Wade Harshman
Dec 01, 2016 6:02 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I respect your opinion and agree with you somehow but not fully.
Nowadays, gender equality is much and I mean much more better than before - In project management (At least here in Canada), I know many women who are PM's and their salaries are extremely well.
On the other hand, getting pregnant is a personal matter and this question should not be asked but at the same time, if you put yourself in the employer's place, you realize that getting pregnant means maternity leave for at least 3 months - As a company owner, you need to assess the overall situation.
Dec 02, 2016 1:25 PM
Wade Harshman
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Maria, I know there is absolutely lingering bias against women in the workplace (much of it coming from women, by the way), but I hope you have a good HR department or an attorney if you're getting questions like that at work. Asking such questions opens employers up to a variety of discrimination suits under different laws, such as the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (1978) and the Family Medical Leave Act (1993).
While I'm playing amateur attorney, let's be careful with some of the calls for salary research. Yes, it'd be nice to show how project managers are paid and whether we're an equal profession, but groups can (and have) run afoul of the Federal Trade Commission (US) for perceived antitrust concerns if they survey and publish salaries. There are ways of doing this legally, obviously, but I wouldn't wade into those waters without professionals. I also have no idea what the requirements are in other nations.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 01, 2016 5:25 PM
Replying to Mayte Mata Sivera
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@Rami, Based on my personal experience...
At the moment that a hiring manager says to me: "I know that I can't ask that, but, you know, this is a very important IT project, and, you know, I need to ensure my resources, and sorry for ask and please don't answer you don't want...Are you thinking about getting pregnant in the next months?"
Have you ever heard this? I have men friends project managers that never heard this question. Nobody asks a guy, hey, do you want to be a dad in next months?
From my point of view, there is inequality not only in project management, in a lot of other professions. There are a lot of salary reports show that women salary are less than men (also in project management if you'll check the last survey) same position, same experience...
Was only in 1920 that the women can vote in the USA, 1931 in Spain. There are only three countries New Zealand (1893), Australia (1902) and Finland where women have been able to vote for more than a century.
Do you think that in less than hundred years we already have the gender equality? I don't think so, step by step, we can get it, but there is a lot of work to do.
I respect your opinion and agree with you somehow but not fully.
Nowadays, gender equality is much and I mean much more better than before - In project management (At least here in Canada), I know many women who are PM's and their salaries are extremely well.
On the other hand, getting pregnant is a personal matter and this question should not be asked but at the same time, if you put yourself in the employer's place, you realize that getting pregnant means maternity leave for at least 3 months - As a company owner, you need to assess the overall situation.
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1 reply by Mayte Mata Sivera
Dec 01, 2016 6:22 PM
Mayte Mata Sivera
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Cristal clear that is much better than before, but I think that there are a lot to do.
Only for your info, the longest maternity and paternity leave in Europe is Sweden, with 480 days (16 months). The father is obliged to take less than 60 days + 10 working days from birth. But there is completely accepted and understand that men will leave the job, and there are no prejudices or company owners that think about these matters.
Cultural differences in different countries are key, to understand inequality gender inequality.
I'll work to make the world where the future generations don't have to answer this kind of questions, because in the moment that the question exists, is because of the topic exist.
I respect your opinion and agree with you somehow but not fully.
Nowadays, gender equality is much and I mean much more better than before - In project management (At least here in Canada), I know many women who are PM's and their salaries are extremely well.
On the other hand, getting pregnant is a personal matter and this question should not be asked but at the same time, if you put yourself in the employer's place, you realize that getting pregnant means maternity leave for at least 3 months - As a company owner, you need to assess the overall situation.
Cristal clear that is much better than before, but I think that there are a lot to do.
Only for your info, the longest maternity and paternity leave in Europe is Sweden, with 480 days (16 months). The father is obliged to take less than 60 days + 10 working days from birth. But there is completely accepted and understand that men will leave the job, and there are no prejudices or company owners that think about these matters.
Cultural differences in different countries are key, to understand inequality gender inequality.
I'll work to make the world where the future generations don't have to answer this kind of questions, because in the moment that the question exists, is because of the topic exist.
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2 replies by Rami Kaibni and Vincent Guerard
Dec 01, 2016 6:26 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Yes, In principal I agree that those questions should not be asked at all. It is very personal.
16 Months Maternity leave in Europe - That's new information to me.
Dec 04, 2016 8:23 PM
Vincent Guerard
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Hi Maria,
Here, Quebec, Canada, the parenting leave can be taken or split between parents. I don't think that make gender inequality disappear.
I know in some European country, some people mainly women don't talk about their children. To avoid discrimination on getting promotion!
Some field have more discrimination than other, many company have policy that promote equal opportunity.
Yes it is improving. maybe not fast enough !
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Dec 01, 2016 6:22 PM
Replying to Mayte Mata Sivera
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Cristal clear that is much better than before, but I think that there are a lot to do.
Only for your info, the longest maternity and paternity leave in Europe is Sweden, with 480 days (16 months). The father is obliged to take less than 60 days + 10 working days from birth. But there is completely accepted and understand that men will leave the job, and there are no prejudices or company owners that think about these matters.
Cultural differences in different countries are key, to understand inequality gender inequality.
I'll work to make the world where the future generations don't have to answer this kind of questions, because in the moment that the question exists, is because of the topic exist.
Yes, In principal I agree that those questions should not be asked at all. It is very personal.
16 Months Maternity leave in Europe - That's new information to me. Saving Changes...
If you're seeing any kind of bias in hiring practices in project management in a given company, I would bet that you would find that bias in most positions at the same company, not just project management. In my 14 years as a project manager, all of my direct managers have been women; most of them also managed projects. The one that didn't was COO. Saving Changes...
Our organization believe in equal opportunity, and takes this very seriously. There are leadership managing both Portfolio & Program, and many Projects.
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1 reply by Mayte Mata Sivera
Dec 02, 2016 1:28 PM
Mayte Mata Sivera
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@Anupam, I've worked in Big organizations and that's true, they believe, promote and it's a very serious topic. Outside of bigs, I only shared my concerns because not always happen.