Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
As most of you, I get notifications for "project manager" open positions on online job boards.
Does anyone else feel that the title Project Manager is used for positions where the requirements are totally wrong?
Here is an example that I saw this morning.
"As the ideal candidate you possess 5+ years of project management experience coupled with an Engineering degree or CET diploma plus equivalent experience. You have worked in the material processing industry (food manufacturing or stainless equipment fabrication experience would be preferred) and have been involved in designing and/or installing material handling equipment. " Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
I remember when Microsoft was forced to drop the use of the term "engineer" from their certification titles. Should there be similar control on the use of "project manager" ? Saving Changes...
Philippe SchulerSenior Instructor/Lecturer in Project/Program/Account PMO Management| Independant ConsultantLes Choux, France
Stephane, I fully agree with you. I know some people claiming a "Project Manager" title as they are only Technical Coordinator or Team Supervisor or Technical Experts with some responsabilities over a defined action plan. In addition, they don't have the background education for managing an actual project. But sometimes it looks great to show the Project Manager title on a CV! Saving Changes...
Product Operations Program ManagerBarcelona, Cataluña, Spain
On LinkedIn it is quite surprising to see individuals that add Project Management skill but yet have never worked as a PM in their careers. Thus, YES, PM is overused. Saving Changes...
Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
^ That I don't agree with. Many jobs require an individual to do project management work, regardless of their title. As a BA, I gained plenty of PM experience, absolutely putting it as a skill. Presenting you skills as they are does not dilute the specific function. What does dilute it is presenting a job as something it truly is not. Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Dec 15, 2016 3:46 PM
Replying to Drew Craig
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Lori, I also used to work in the Healthcare arena. In that case there were Project Managers, and Implementation Consultants. IC was essentially, a BA and PM, whereas could fill the PM role for 'smaller' clients, or act as the BA in larger implementations.
Andrew is correct. My current position is Executive Consultant but my current title is Senior Project Manager. Consultants are expected to assume various roles according to the need. So far, I've been a project manager, resource manager, financial analyst, business analyst, and enterprise architect. Saving Changes...
Product Operations Program ManagerBarcelona, Cataluña, Spain
I believe that I have not expressed myself correctly. What I meant is that I find quite common that some individuals believe that they have acquired "Project management" skills and yet have never managed a project during their careers. Like someone claiming that they have cooking skills and yet have never stepped into a kitchen. I don't know, it is Friday, perhaps my brain is not functioning at full capacity anymore :-)
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
Dec 16, 2016 11:01 AM
Stéphane Parent
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What Andrew is saying Eduard is there are jobs other than project managers, like business analysts and consultant, that do project management.
It can be valid to show project management skills without ever having held the title.
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Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Dec 16, 2016 10:58 AM
Replying to Eduard Hernandez
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I believe that I have not expressed myself correctly. What I meant is that I find quite common that some individuals believe that they have acquired "Project management" skills and yet have never managed a project during their careers. Like someone claiming that they have cooking skills and yet have never stepped into a kitchen. I don't know, it is Friday, perhaps my brain is not functioning at full capacity anymore :-)
What Andrew is saying Eduard is there are jobs other than project managers, like business analysts and consultant, that do project management.
It can be valid to show project management skills without ever having held the title. Saving Changes...
I know we had this discussion before and my opinion was in disagreement with many other users however I am saying it again, a PM that is not also an experienced SME can't fully manage a project but instead he/she will just be some sort of facilitator or coordinator.
A PM that is not also a subject matter expert will not be able to take many crucial decisions that will impact the success of the project. I have seen this happen many times, projects that didn't deliver in time because the decisions taken by the technical team turned out not to be so good, and the PM was unable to do anything about them since he didn't understand them at all.
I don't want to offend anyone, I am not saying that the work of PMs that are not also SMEs is useless all I am saying is that such PMs are not fully in control of their projects. Many wrong things can happen during the execution of the project without the so called non-technical PM to even be aware of. Even if the SMEs explain to the PM what's wrong he may not understand the problems and the SMEs may not be capable or willing to solve them.
The SMEs may explain the problems to the PM in a very technical language that can't be understood by him/her.
I fully understand the need of some companies to hire PMs that are also good SMEs, this makes perfect sense for me. Even if the PM is not expected to provide technical leadership or do the work himself if he is not a SME he may not be able to understand what the team members are telling him.
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4 replies by Drew Craig, Philippe Schuler, Sergio Luis Conte, and Stéphane Parent
Dec 17, 2016 8:59 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Adrian: I spend my time here to learn from all comments and to improve myself. And I learn a lot when reading your comments. As you know we disagree and let me say this: you, as Project manager, must be a subject matter expert in the field to take decisión about Project mangement. But you, as Project manager, must not take any other type of decisions. In fact, is the worst thing you can do. Your duty as Project manager is to assure the definition and following of a change process where you and your team are accountable and responsable to créate all the information related to evaluate the impacts and to present it to people that must take the decisión. And believe me, companies that hire Project managers that are subject matter experts are searching for the last one.
Dec 17, 2016 12:46 PM
Stéphane Parent
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While I won't dispute that some technical background can help the PM frame information and decisions, I don't see myself as a SME, Adrian.
If I have not obtained the best technical decision from my project team, then I have failed as a facilitator and communicator.
My job is to do what is best for the project, not the product.
Dec 17, 2016 2:06 PM
Philippe Schuler
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Adrian, I can understand your point of view. But a Project Manager is a Manager not a SME. The key point for me is Pms must have some experience in the domain they have to manage for. They should delete their SME behaviors but they must be iable to challenge the SMEs part of their teams. PM and SME roles are fully disconnected. A PM that rect as a SME can loose any credibility with his/her ability to manage the project successfully. Both roles must be respected but are not compatible.
Dec 18, 2016 7:17 AM
Drew Craig
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I do not agree with this. PM should be expected to be an SME in the PM arena. Otherwise, they would be in a different role. The way I read the statement, is that either the PM is a SME or useless. As been said, the PM is not there to be an expert on the product, but rather the project. Ideally, the right team should be in place for support of the product, requirements, and product related decisions.
That said, the PM should have some knowledge of the area, enough to understand what is being discussed. With respect to IT (since that is where I am), I understand code and database speak, and generally, the proper structure and rules, etc., as I used to code, but don't ask me to open up Visual Studio and SSMS and do the actual work.
The PM should see across the field, not be stuck in the weeds.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 15, 2016 11:39 AM
Replying to Anupam
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Sergio, I think by domain knowledge they mean subject-matter expert (SME) or domain expert in a particular area or topic.
Not at all. To have knowledge is not the same than to be a subject matter expert. For example, I am a subject matter expert in Project management by a I have knowledge about the domains where I am program/portfolio manager today. The subject matter expert in this case are the business people (and application people, and technology people, and security people) that Works with me to créate the solution. In fact, the same when I perform as business analyst. Saving Changes...
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