I've implemented more than 7 years ago PS in some small construction organizations in France. For them was amazing, because the can control all cost, materials in each state of the project.
It depends on the company and also who will sell you the SAP implementation. Saving Changes...
I concur with Maria, with the added caveat that entering into a business relationship with SAP needs to be done with both eyes open and an attorney at your side.
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1 reply by Mayte Mata Sivera
Feb 08, 2017 1:57 PM
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Cris, can I assume that you are recommending an attorney thinking in that the Mohamed company don't have a legal department? Or do you have another topic on mind? Thank you!
I concur with Maria, with the added caveat that entering into a business relationship with SAP needs to be done with both eyes open and an attorney at your side.
Cris, can I assume that you are recommending an attorney thinking in that the Mohamed company don't have a legal department? Or do you have another topic on mind? Thank you!
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1 reply by Cris Casey
Feb 08, 2017 2:50 PM
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Hi Maria - I'm recommending legal support (internal or external) from the very beginning because of heavy handed SAP business practices embedded in their agreements. Here's one example at a very high level:
A large number of SAP licenses contain language that governs what SAP refers to as "indirect usage". Indirect usage covers both the application (modules) proper, but it also covers data. I will now skip to the "punchline".
If you, at your own expense, develop and deploy an application that your people can use much faster and easier than accomplishing the same thing in SAP, and then import the data into SAP, this constitutes "indirect usage" and SAP will argue that you owe license fees for everyone that uses your application.
I have several clients who settled with SAP to the tune of several million dollars rather than challenge the agreement in court. This is why I suggest competent legal involvement from day 1.
Cris, can I assume that you are recommending an attorney thinking in that the Mohamed company don't have a legal department? Or do you have another topic on mind? Thank you!
Hi Maria - I'm recommending legal support (internal or external) from the very beginning because of heavy handed SAP business practices embedded in their agreements. Here's one example at a very high level:
A large number of SAP licenses contain language that governs what SAP refers to as "indirect usage". Indirect usage covers both the application (modules) proper, but it also covers data. I will now skip to the "punchline".
If you, at your own expense, develop and deploy an application that your people can use much faster and easier than accomplishing the same thing in SAP, and then import the data into SAP, this constitutes "indirect usage" and SAP will argue that you owe license fees for everyone that uses your application.
I have several clients who settled with SAP to the tune of several million dollars rather than challenge the agreement in court. This is why I suggest competent legal involvement from day 1.
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1 reply by Mayte Mata Sivera
Feb 08, 2017 2:59 PM
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Great explanation, thank you! SAP licenses are tricky and expensive, but sincerely I've assumed that if he is asking for PS, is because at least they already have FI module in SAP system.
Regarding your comment, about indirect usage, I've worked in a company that SAP bought our "indirect usage", the only point at improving developments, is that you do it well and with requested permission.
Working with SAP is not an exception to take care of agreements, also others as Oracle will ask you for this "indirect usage" clauses.
Hi Maria - I'm recommending legal support (internal or external) from the very beginning because of heavy handed SAP business practices embedded in their agreements. Here's one example at a very high level:
A large number of SAP licenses contain language that governs what SAP refers to as "indirect usage". Indirect usage covers both the application (modules) proper, but it also covers data. I will now skip to the "punchline".
If you, at your own expense, develop and deploy an application that your people can use much faster and easier than accomplishing the same thing in SAP, and then import the data into SAP, this constitutes "indirect usage" and SAP will argue that you owe license fees for everyone that uses your application.
I have several clients who settled with SAP to the tune of several million dollars rather than challenge the agreement in court. This is why I suggest competent legal involvement from day 1.
Great explanation, thank you! SAP licenses are tricky and expensive, but sincerely I've assumed that if he is asking for PS, is because at least they already have FI module in SAP system.
Regarding your comment, about indirect usage, I've worked in a company that SAP bought our "indirect usage", the only point at improving developments, is that you do it well and with requested permission.
Working with SAP is not an exception to take care of agreements, also others as Oracle will ask you for this "indirect usage" clauses. Saving Changes...
Thanks for your insightful reflections. Even if they already have SAP FI, they could create homegrown SAP application, and import SAP data into it, or extract non-SAP data from it and import it to SAP. You're right, it is critical to have experienced legal, QA, and contracts experts be involved in all software discussions, specially early on and throughout, to prevent unexpected expensive situations. Saving Changes...
