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What is the difference between LeSS, DAD and SAFe

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Ravi Nandru Agile Coach| Accenture Westborough, Ma, United States
Which Framework is more popular and any statistics, how customers are adopting?
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Wade Harshman Scrum Master| GDIT Indianapolis, In, United States
I'm going to give my novice and biased opinion...

"LeSS" is about taking small Scrum teams and scaling them up to an entire organization. I'm not sure if any two organizations have ever accomplished this using the same roadmap; it seems like we just found a bunch of organizations with similar goals and lumped them all together under an acronym.

SaFE is about setting up a organizational structure from the top and allowing scrum teams to exist. It flows more top-down, in contrast to the bottom-up view of LeSS.

My bias is showing here. I view SaFE as a rigid system that protects middle managers who aren't adding value. Plenty of people who are smarter and richer than me will say that I'm wrong, and you can probably make a decent amount of money as a SaFE consultant if you cash in on it now before it gives way to the next fad. I simply think there are better organizational structures.

My own opinion: if your organization is going to be Agile, then just be Agile. You might need help, but if your organization is ready to embrace that degree of transformative cultural change, then you won't need to "scale" it. (How do you scale a culture?) There are plenty of operational frameworks that you can use if you have the trust and flexibility required to be Agile.

But if you're not ready for that type of change, then don't waste your money on fad consultants who can help you pretend to be Agile when you're really not. There are still plenty of large and successful organizations that have a more traditional structure.
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Mar 01, 2017 8:27 PM
Ravi Nandru
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Thanks Wade.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
I am making prototypes with all of that becuase we are analyzing to use them. But not with focus on software only. My recommendation is going to the sites and learn about them. But forget about statistics if your intention is use them as a basement because the statistics can be read and are creating by convenience of each model user or seller.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I've never heard of them before but I am glad you posted this so I can learn something new. Those probably mostly apply to the IT Sector right ?

Wade & Sergio, Thanks for the elaboration - Valuable comments
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Ravi Nandru Agile Coach| Accenture Westborough, Ma, United States
Mar 01, 2017 3:48 PM
Replying to Wade Harshman
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I'm going to give my novice and biased opinion...

"LeSS" is about taking small Scrum teams and scaling them up to an entire organization. I'm not sure if any two organizations have ever accomplished this using the same roadmap; it seems like we just found a bunch of organizations with similar goals and lumped them all together under an acronym.

SaFE is about setting up a organizational structure from the top and allowing scrum teams to exist. It flows more top-down, in contrast to the bottom-up view of LeSS.

My bias is showing here. I view SaFE as a rigid system that protects middle managers who aren't adding value. Plenty of people who are smarter and richer than me will say that I'm wrong, and you can probably make a decent amount of money as a SaFE consultant if you cash in on it now before it gives way to the next fad. I simply think there are better organizational structures.

My own opinion: if your organization is going to be Agile, then just be Agile. You might need help, but if your organization is ready to embrace that degree of transformative cultural change, then you won't need to "scale" it. (How do you scale a culture?) There are plenty of operational frameworks that you can use if you have the trust and flexibility required to be Agile.

But if you're not ready for that type of change, then don't waste your money on fad consultants who can help you pretend to be Agile when you're really not. There are still plenty of large and successful organizations that have a more traditional structure.
Thanks Wade.
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1 reply by Wade Harshman
Mar 03, 2017 9:10 AM
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Ravi,

Here's a brief article summarizing the three frameworks you asked about. It might be a little less biased than my little rant.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/scaling-scr...m-rabon-cst-pmp
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Mudassar Khan Program (Project )Manager| Woodward Canada Inc Peterborough, ON, Canada
I have never heard of these terms before, its good i learned something new today,
Thanks Wade for the detail elaboration
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Nasrullah Mohammed Portfolio Manager| Advanced Electronics Company Riyadh, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Good piece of advice Wade. Thanks!
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
I forgot to say that Wade has made a great comment. I am leading my seventh initiative to implement Agile as it was born: enteprise wide. Today in a hugh company. And we keep "silos" structure. Take a look to this about Agile implementation in a hierarchical structure putting focus beyond software: https://steveblank.com/2016/11/10/how-the-...vation-culture/
Or this about Agile history: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-agile-...e-title-publish
And just in case you will use an Agile method remember that Agile did not end into SCRUM. Take a look to DSDM for example.
An by the way, our restuls up to date is that DaD is a good alternative if and only if you need to use a framework to implement Agile which is not necessary.
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Wade Harshman Scrum Master| GDIT Indianapolis, In, United States
Mar 01, 2017 8:27 PM
Replying to Ravi Nandru
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Thanks Wade.
Ravi,

Here's a brief article summarizing the three frameworks you asked about. It might be a little less biased than my little rant.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/scaling-scr...m-rabon-cst-pmp
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Demetrius Williams Atlanta, Ga, United States
Here is a good article on explaining the difference between the three - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/scaling-scr...abon-cst-pmp... Looks like this was already provided. Sorry for the repeat.
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Jiwat Ram Jinan, China, Mainland
Something new to learn for me too....never heard of these terms before. Thanks for bringing it up. Could some one send the link on the explanation other than linkedin one link.

Will appreciate.
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