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John Rice Sustainment Engineer| Lockheed Martin Harmony, Fl, United States
How would you handle this? You are in a job interview and are asked to describe your worst boss, what would you say? Give a life experience for others to learn from.
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Edward Daniels Project Manager| Independent Glen Burnie, Md, United States
John, the title almost had me! I have had different bosses and each one has been different. I have never believed in bad bosses, i take it as a personal challenge to crack their codes. It made my life easier when they get it that "i understand my job is to make them look good and not take their job". Subordinates or junior associates need to understand that the boss is a person first, who is aware they can be fired or their circumstances can change. So most "bad bosses" operate out of fear of looking bad or losing their job for incompetence. They tend to take it out on others. I managed my bosses by getting to know what it is they want and getting it to them in record time.
As a manager myself to get over the bad boss impression, i let my people know that i have an open door policy in getting to solve problems, and not assigning blame. I tell them, as a leader, i strive to inspire them to be better but as a manager, it is all about me dotting the i's and crossing the t's for management. With that, we get to work and they know it is all about getting things done with expectations of becoming better at it. They becoming better analysts, and i becoming a better leader and manager.
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1 reply by John Rice
Mar 20, 2017 10:26 PM
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Edward
I agree... and thank you for your insight, very thoughtful. Your statement, "I understand my job is to make them look good and not take their job" reminds of my training manager. She told us that our job was to produce efficient and trained customer care specialists and her job was to remove barriers that prevented us from accomplishing it. Under her tutelage thought she was a manager only, but I know she was the leader who inspired.
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S Rajasekar Senior Project Manager| Allscripts Bangalore, Karnataka, India
Tuff boss we can handle but worst boss we can survive till it reaches threshold if it goes beyond find another job/boss......

Not here to change someone or not to prove it every time .....move on world is big.....life goes on...
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Mar 20, 2017 10:34 PM
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S Rajasekar
The US Army developed units call COHORT, which means all the privates from basic combat arms training would remain together throughout their 3-year hitch. They would have the same bosses and managers for three years to build cohesion. The concept works great if the leaders were worth their weight in salt. The environment changes if the leaders had less desirable leadership traits. I had a young private approach for advice on the following situation for he was thinking to leave the Army. I told him to set his priorities and know one of two things will happen; either they go or you go. He retired after 20 years.
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Eric Simms Senior Program Manager Baltimore, Maryland, United States
My worst boss was a PM in charge of a high-profile multimillion dollar project for a major pharmaceutical company. I worked as one of several Senior Business Analysts. This PM was deceitful and incompetent. He knew he was unsuited for his position, but he put on a good show for Executives who knew nothing about project management and couldn’t question anything he said or did. My boss couldn’t manage a schedule, and so inevitably ran into problems finishing deliverables on time. In response, he made the Business Analysts work ridiculous hours to compensate. This was 2008 at the height of the recession and the Business Analysts were contractors, so we counted ourselves lucky to have jobs and bore the situation as best we could.
How did I deal with him? I just finished out my initial six-month contract, and didn’t renew. Sometimes a situation is so completely untenable that a strategic retreat is the only available course of action.
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Mar 20, 2017 10:39 PM
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Thank you, Eric, What did you learn from that boss? I am told what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. How are you stronger?
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Blaine Kruizenga Sr. Project Manager / CFO| Southwest Cyber Systems Inc. Houston, Tx, United States
Interview questions are so tricky... They are like Microsoft test questions... there is the expected answer and then there is the real world answer. :) You can only hope you get it right.

For me personally, my worst boss was a woman who treated me like she owned me. Basically, she expected me to be available whenever she wanted me and to do whatever she wanted. If I protested, she would threaten to fire me. I was a single mom at the time and had told her that I was available for overtime, but needed to know ahead of time so I could make arrangements for my child. This never stopped her from coming in at 5:30 and demanding for me to stay and run reports for her or running errands for her on my personal time.

This woman taught me how to stand up for myself and I learned a valuable lesson that people will push as far as you let them. It served me well in future positions. She "fired me" three times over silly stuff (apologizing profusely the next day when I showed up for work) before I finally quit and went elsewhere.

However, she is not the one I tell potential employers about when asked this question. Instead, I tell them about the guy that asked me to do something unethical and being fired when I told him that I wouldn't do it. shrug I could find another job. I couldn't live with myself for doing something wrong.
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Mar 20, 2017 10:42 PM
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Blaine
Thank you
And I see where the first boss developed your strength to overcome your second boss.
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John Rice Sustainment Engineer| Lockheed Martin Harmony, Fl, United States
Mar 20, 2017 2:25 PM
Replying to Edward Daniels
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John, the title almost had me! I have had different bosses and each one has been different. I have never believed in bad bosses, i take it as a personal challenge to crack their codes. It made my life easier when they get it that "i understand my job is to make them look good and not take their job". Subordinates or junior associates need to understand that the boss is a person first, who is aware they can be fired or their circumstances can change. So most "bad bosses" operate out of fear of looking bad or losing their job for incompetence. They tend to take it out on others. I managed my bosses by getting to know what it is they want and getting it to them in record time.
As a manager myself to get over the bad boss impression, i let my people know that i have an open door policy in getting to solve problems, and not assigning blame. I tell them, as a leader, i strive to inspire them to be better but as a manager, it is all about me dotting the i's and crossing the t's for management. With that, we get to work and they know it is all about getting things done with expectations of becoming better at it. They becoming better analysts, and i becoming a better leader and manager.
Edward
I agree... and thank you for your insight, very thoughtful. Your statement, "I understand my job is to make them look good and not take their job" reminds of my training manager. She told us that our job was to produce efficient and trained customer care specialists and her job was to remove barriers that prevented us from accomplishing it. Under her tutelage thought she was a manager only, but I know she was the leader who inspired.
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John Rice Sustainment Engineer| Lockheed Martin Harmony, Fl, United States
Mar 20, 2017 2:36 PM
Replying to S Rajasekar
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Tuff boss we can handle but worst boss we can survive till it reaches threshold if it goes beyond find another job/boss......

Not here to change someone or not to prove it every time .....move on world is big.....life goes on...
S Rajasekar
The US Army developed units call COHORT, which means all the privates from basic combat arms training would remain together throughout their 3-year hitch. They would have the same bosses and managers for three years to build cohesion. The concept works great if the leaders were worth their weight in salt. The environment changes if the leaders had less desirable leadership traits. I had a young private approach for advice on the following situation for he was thinking to leave the Army. I told him to set his priorities and know one of two things will happen; either they go or you go. He retired after 20 years.
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John Rice Sustainment Engineer| Lockheed Martin Harmony, Fl, United States
Mar 20, 2017 3:14 PM
Replying to Eric Simms
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My worst boss was a PM in charge of a high-profile multimillion dollar project for a major pharmaceutical company. I worked as one of several Senior Business Analysts. This PM was deceitful and incompetent. He knew he was unsuited for his position, but he put on a good show for Executives who knew nothing about project management and couldn’t question anything he said or did. My boss couldn’t manage a schedule, and so inevitably ran into problems finishing deliverables on time. In response, he made the Business Analysts work ridiculous hours to compensate. This was 2008 at the height of the recession and the Business Analysts were contractors, so we counted ourselves lucky to have jobs and bore the situation as best we could.
How did I deal with him? I just finished out my initial six-month contract, and didn’t renew. Sometimes a situation is so completely untenable that a strategic retreat is the only available course of action.
Thank you, Eric, What did you learn from that boss? I am told what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. How are you stronger?
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John Rice Sustainment Engineer| Lockheed Martin Harmony, Fl, United States
Mar 20, 2017 4:58 PM
Replying to Blaine Kruizenga
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Interview questions are so tricky... They are like Microsoft test questions... there is the expected answer and then there is the real world answer. :) You can only hope you get it right.

For me personally, my worst boss was a woman who treated me like she owned me. Basically, she expected me to be available whenever she wanted me and to do whatever she wanted. If I protested, she would threaten to fire me. I was a single mom at the time and had told her that I was available for overtime, but needed to know ahead of time so I could make arrangements for my child. This never stopped her from coming in at 5:30 and demanding for me to stay and run reports for her or running errands for her on my personal time.

This woman taught me how to stand up for myself and I learned a valuable lesson that people will push as far as you let them. It served me well in future positions. She "fired me" three times over silly stuff (apologizing profusely the next day when I showed up for work) before I finally quit and went elsewhere.

However, she is not the one I tell potential employers about when asked this question. Instead, I tell them about the guy that asked me to do something unethical and being fired when I told him that I wouldn't do it. shrug I could find another job. I couldn't live with myself for doing something wrong.
Blaine
Thank you
And I see where the first boss developed your strength to overcome your second boss.
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S Rajasekar Senior Project Manager| Allscripts Bangalore, Karnataka, India
I have seen many bad bosses in my carrier , 2 samples below

First :

It was a complex product and incompetent product managers …everything get screwed up in regular interval despite careful planning and execution , every-time something goes wrong my boss gives lecture for 2 to 3 hours and what should have been done…etc and he wants me to feel guilty and accept someone else failure….. it becomes too much that everyday need to listen to his lecture for 2 to 4 hours…..he feels proud about that…..

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I was a PMO head for offshore center and there were 2 product releases were failing to meet release deadlines for 2 years …. buggy product, scope was changing too much despite change control and governance…Incompetent product owner/manager and program manager..etc , When VP asked me why we see these failures I told him “ If we see continues failure it shows we don’t have right people in right places “ He got angry asking who are those people I told him you got to find, that's not my job, He got even more angry saying “You don’t teach me “ I told him then you don’t ask me …
He was so upset saying your age is my experience started using abusing words I told him it doesn't matter to me if you have interest to know the root cause I told you it is up-to you to take it or leave it….

Both these were high paying job I quit them after surveying there more than year , was jobless for some time and found a new ones later…..if it affects the core/principals no matter what they pay…


Despite we try to understand the expectation , dynamics ,work culture …etc and tried to fulfill/meet them ,there are few people we can’t satisfy and tolerate…..
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John Rice Sustainment Engineer| Lockheed Martin Harmony, Fl, United States
It boils down to what is important to you and how far will you test your resolve
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