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Managing project quality in organizations without an independent QA department

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Nasrullah Mohammed Portfolio Manager| Advanced Electronics Company Riyadh, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
How can Project Managers effectively manage the quality of their projects without having an independent QA department in their organization?
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
The first thing to do is to understand that quality must be defined at strategical level. It is an enteprise wide term to define. Second understanding that quality is a subjective matter that must be translated into objective ones (and that is because an enteprise wide definition). Third, remember that stakeholders do not buy the product/service/result or the process to create it. They buy the fact that you (as project manager) will assure them that their objectives will be achieved with the product/service/result to be created and the process to create it.
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2 replies by Eric Simms and Nasrullah Mohammed
Mar 22, 2017 9:22 AM
Eric Simms
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Well said, Sergio.
Mar 22, 2017 9:32 AM
Nasrullah Mohammed
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Sergio, Thank you for your input
I agree, it must be translated into objective ones.
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Eric Simms Senior Program Manager Baltimore, Maryland, United States
Mar 22, 2017 9:01 AM
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The first thing to do is to understand that quality must be defined at strategical level. It is an enteprise wide term to define. Second understanding that quality is a subjective matter that must be translated into objective ones (and that is because an enteprise wide definition). Third, remember that stakeholders do not buy the product/service/result or the process to create it. They buy the fact that you (as project manager) will assure them that their objectives will be achieved with the product/service/result to be created and the process to create it.
Well said, Sergio.
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Eric Simms Senior Program Manager Baltimore, Maryland, United States
Quality can be managed by the PM and the team, but it requires careful planning and metrics to ensure objectivity.
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1 reply by Nasrullah Mohammed
Mar 22, 2017 10:01 AM
Nasrullah Mohammed
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That's a good point eric.
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Nasrullah Mohammed Portfolio Manager| Advanced Electronics Company Riyadh, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Mar 22, 2017 9:01 AM
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The first thing to do is to understand that quality must be defined at strategical level. It is an enteprise wide term to define. Second understanding that quality is a subjective matter that must be translated into objective ones (and that is because an enteprise wide definition). Third, remember that stakeholders do not buy the product/service/result or the process to create it. They buy the fact that you (as project manager) will assure them that their objectives will be achieved with the product/service/result to be created and the process to create it.
Sergio, Thank you for your input
I agree, it must be translated into objective ones.
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Nasrullah Mohammed Portfolio Manager| Advanced Electronics Company Riyadh, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Mar 22, 2017 9:31 AM
Replying to Eric Simms
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Quality can be managed by the PM and the team, but it requires careful planning and metrics to ensure objectivity.
That's a good point eric.
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Aaron Porter
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IT Director| Blade HQ Payson, UT, United States
If you don't have a QA organization or enterprise definition for quality, you do have the Project Quality Management section of the PMBOK to use as a resource.
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1 reply by Nasrullah Mohammed
Mar 23, 2017 1:14 AM
Nasrullah Mohammed
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Hi Aaron,
Thanks for your feedback.
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Igor Zdorovyak Director of Projects| Immunovant Fair Lawn, Nj, United States
Hi Nasrullah,

I want to understand does your org has QA department and you don't have confidence in their role or you don't have a QA dept at all?
Product Manager should define a standard to which a particular product needs to meet and those include quality expects from design, plan and implemention. Based on the direction from its leadership about at what standard deviation the quality of that product is acceptable.
As a project manager you manage product as a project based on the quality specified by the stakeholders and validated at the Srope verification.
And as Aaron pointed out PMBOK has Qality section. You can also look at Six Signa it has a set of quality management methods
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1 reply by Nasrullah Mohammed
Mar 23, 2017 4:42 AM
Nasrullah Mohammed
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We have a project where the PM from the sellers end highlights the need of a separate quality department in his organization. I really appreciate taking the time to respond. This is valuable information and feedback. Cheers !
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Diego Ferrer Managing Principal| Quant16 Chicago, Il, United States
Define Key Performance Indicators (KPI) to have an objective way to measure the projects. Make sure the KPI's are data driven to avoid any subjectivity.
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1 reply by Nasrullah Mohammed
Mar 23, 2017 4:43 AM
Nasrullah Mohammed
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Thanks for your input Diego... Appreciate it.
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Nasrullah Mohammed Portfolio Manager| Advanced Electronics Company Riyadh, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Mar 22, 2017 10:42 AM
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If you don't have a QA organization or enterprise definition for quality, you do have the Project Quality Management section of the PMBOK to use as a resource.
Hi Aaron,
Thanks for your feedback.
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Nasrullah Mohammed Portfolio Manager| Advanced Electronics Company Riyadh, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Mar 22, 2017 12:44 PM
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Hi Nasrullah,

I want to understand does your org has QA department and you don't have confidence in their role or you don't have a QA dept at all?
Product Manager should define a standard to which a particular product needs to meet and those include quality expects from design, plan and implemention. Based on the direction from its leadership about at what standard deviation the quality of that product is acceptable.
As a project manager you manage product as a project based on the quality specified by the stakeholders and validated at the Srope verification.
And as Aaron pointed out PMBOK has Qality section. You can also look at Six Signa it has a set of quality management methods
We have a project where the PM from the sellers end highlights the need of a separate quality department in his organization. I really appreciate taking the time to respond. This is valuable information and feedback. Cheers !
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