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Is PMP equivalent to Masters / MS in Project Management without thesis work
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Usman Ali Khugyani, PMP Executive IT| PTML Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan
Can PMI issue an equivalency certificate mentioning pmp is equivalent to Masters in Project Manager Degree ? Any one here who have got any such certificate of equivalency from PMI ?
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Eric Simms Senior Program Manager| Business Process and Automation Services LLC Bowie, Md, USA
A PMP is superior to a Masters in Project Management. A PMP represents at least 7,500 hours of actual experience leading and directing projects, as well as an objectively assessed degree of theoretical knowledge. In contrast, a Masters in Project Management is almost purely theoretical knowledge.
Consider this: Would you rather have open heart surgery performed on you by someone who has done it many times, or by someone who has merely read a great deal about it?
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5 replies by Nasim Choroumi, Ronan Canning, Usman Ali Khugyani, PMP, and anonymous
Mar 24, 2017 2:42 PM
Usman Ali Khugyani, PMP
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I also consider pmp to be superior to Master in Project Management and yes, it is but it's difficult to convey and convince the stubborn authoritative people here in Pakistani universities / institutions. Mostly do not even know about pmp. Upon showing and presenting some thoughts about pmp they say like ohh you have done some kind of diploma or something from US, we do not consider this with your admission application to ms/mphil, so you are not eligible .. a funny and irritative response
Sep 24, 2020 6:24 AM
Ronan Canning
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I have completed a masters just recently which is a PMI Global Accreditation Centre for Project Management - which is approx 1900 hours of detailed training on all aspect of project management.

It is nothing like the PMP and Prince 2 these courses can be completed by any competent professional. They are just multiple-choice questions. The companies guarantee that you will pass if you pay for their course, how does that guarantee that a Project Manager has the skills to do a project, the answer is it does not.

I have over 20-years experience running all types of Projects and PMP is just the very basics of project management - MSc is just a completely different level of knowledge and training.

Ronan
Apr 02, 2022 1:43 AM
anonymous
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I have both the PMP and a Masters Degree in Project Management. A PMP certification does not come close to being equivalent to a Masters in project management. After being in my Masters program only one semester, I sat for and passed on the first attempt. Above board in all areas. I simply replied because I am offended that someone would have this opinion to begin with. Project management is management. A PMP is a multiple choice test that demonstrates you comprehend the concept of project management. The MS in PM teaches you to leverage your experience and technical skills in the art of managing projects the right way.
Jan 17, 2023 9:55 AM
anonymous
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I have a MS in Project Management and a PMP. I would say that having both is better than one. The PMP is definitely an OJT to me while the MSPM is the missing link for an absolute leadership role. I may have read a lot in school but I can certainly execute on a holistic level.

A master's in Project Management = Large Scale Case Studies, Practice in Theory with all Knowledge Areas, and Master Thesis to defend your Project.

PMP = On the Job Training primarily, Confidence in the Knowledge Area gained, and Additional CE courses to stay relevant.

There are perks of two but you'll have to think about the longer term implications.

One noticeably more than others is that the candidate with an MSPM and a PMP is likely to get hired in a leadership role over someone with one credential.

Cheers
Nov 29, 2023 6:42 PM
Nasim Choroumi
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Per universities or PMI accepted organizations which are providing the Master of Science (MSc) in Project Management and variant of MSc degree in PM, MSc in PM is superior to PMP as PMP is a certificate and MSc is a degree. In recent R&Rs, or job qualifications, they specify Master and in parenthesis (PMP), which means they might consider as an semi-equivalent degree. However, it is still a degree that is not much recognized.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Are not matter of comparission at all. I could write a lot but is better if you go for both definitions. The definition of PMP certification inside the PMI website and the definition of Master inside others.. And Eric, sorry but you are not right. Project management is not a formally defined profession so the certification has not sence when somebody needs to perform a legal action just in case one project manager perform "bad practice" in some initiave.That is not the case for medicine.
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Aaron Porter IT Project Manager| Blade HQ Pleasant Grove, Ut, USA
I agree with Eric, within certain guidelines. Let me frame it in terms of the Agile Manifesto:

When it comes to hiring criteria, I have come to value
Experience over Education
That is, while there is value in education, I value experience more.

To further this approach, the combination of experience and education is one of the factors that differentiates one person from another. You want a heart surgeon that has both experience and education. A Project Manager with both education and experience is more likely to be a stronger Project Manager than one with only education or experience.

Regarding your question of the PMPs equivalency to a Masters, I doubt that an accredited university would recognize such a thing, and PMI is not accredited to do such. A PMP requires a specific amount of Project Management education. A Masters Degree in Project Management does require specific Project Management classes; possibly enough to satisfy the education requirement for the PMP. But it also requires significantly more classes in other fields.

They are not equivalent, and whether or not one is more valuable than the other depends on what you are trying to accomplish. A PMP could not qualify you to enroll in a PhD program, for example, whereas a Masters degree from an accredited university could.
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Mar 24, 2017 2:31 PM
Usman Ali Khugyani, PMP
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Well said, that is what i was trying to do; planning to get admitted in MPhill program in management sciences. Searched various institutions/universities and found that in europe, mostly consider and accept the applications from BS (CS) / B.E. degree holders if they have got 35-60 credit hours of additional study certificates on management subjects or pmp etc but here in underdeveloped countries like Pakistan it's not possible. Here they require equivalency certificate upon which the university authority will decide whether to consider the indivisual's application or not. They induct CS, MIS and Engg. graduates in MS/MPhil in Management Sciences only if the indivisual has done MBA, MCom or Masters in project/management etc.
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Usman Ali Khugyani, PMP Executive IT| PTML Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan
Mar 24, 2017 10:48 AM
Replying to Aaron Porter
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I agree with Eric, within certain guidelines. Let me frame it in terms of the Agile Manifesto:

When it comes to hiring criteria, I have come to value
Experience over Education
That is, while there is value in education, I value experience more.

To further this approach, the combination of experience and education is one of the factors that differentiates one person from another. You want a heart surgeon that has both experience and education. A Project Manager with both education and experience is more likely to be a stronger Project Manager than one with only education or experience.

Regarding your question of the PMPs equivalency to a Masters, I doubt that an accredited university would recognize such a thing, and PMI is not accredited to do such. A PMP requires a specific amount of Project Management education. A Masters Degree in Project Management does require specific Project Management classes; possibly enough to satisfy the education requirement for the PMP. But it also requires significantly more classes in other fields.

They are not equivalent, and whether or not one is more valuable than the other depends on what you are trying to accomplish. A PMP could not qualify you to enroll in a PhD program, for example, whereas a Masters degree from an accredited university could.
Well said, that is what i was trying to do; planning to get admitted in MPhill program in management sciences. Searched various institutions/universities and found that in europe, mostly consider and accept the applications from BS (CS) / B.E. degree holders if they have got 35-60 credit hours of additional study certificates on management subjects or pmp etc but here in underdeveloped countries like Pakistan it's not possible. Here they require equivalency certificate upon which the university authority will decide whether to consider the indivisual's application or not. They induct CS, MIS and Engg. graduates in MS/MPhil in Management Sciences only if the indivisual has done MBA, MCom or Masters in project/management etc.
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Usman Ali Khugyani, PMP Executive IT| PTML Peshawar, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan
Mar 24, 2017 10:20 AM
Replying to Eric Simms
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A PMP is superior to a Masters in Project Management. A PMP represents at least 7,500 hours of actual experience leading and directing projects, as well as an objectively assessed degree of theoretical knowledge. In contrast, a Masters in Project Management is almost purely theoretical knowledge.
Consider this: Would you rather have open heart surgery performed on you by someone who has done it many times, or by someone who has merely read a great deal about it?
I also consider pmp to be superior to Master in Project Management and yes, it is but it's difficult to convey and convince the stubborn authoritative people here in Pakistani universities / institutions. Mostly do not even know about pmp. Upon showing and presenting some thoughts about pmp they say like ohh you have done some kind of diploma or something from US, we do not consider this with your admission application to ms/mphil, so you are not eligible .. a funny and irritative response
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Yaman Bdaiwi Projects Control Manager| Al Geemi & Partners Contracting Co. LLC United Arab Emirates
It depends on the use of both. If you are comparing both in terms of benefit you will receive career-wise then Yes PMP is superior to most of the available Master degrees out there as it represents a successful application of actual experience. In terms of expanding your academic knowledge and having a more solid understanding of certain PM subject/materials/terms ... etc, then a Master would give the better outcome.
My advice is to go for both.
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Yaser AlSAdi Procurement Manager| Royal Gardens Contracting Co. Musaffah, United Arab Emirates
what about PgMP ??!! my colleagues
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1 reply by Nasim Choroumi
Nov 29, 2023 6:45 PM
Nasim Choroumi
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PgMP is in different area, eventhough it might follow the same process, it is again a certificate. Considering using SAFe methodology, having PgMP is meaningful. in MSc, PgM is covered. Based on PMI, it identifies as separate certificate
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Kiron Bondale Mentor| World Class Productivity Inc. Welland, Ontario, Canada
You simply cannot compare a certification with a degree. It's an apples to oranges comparison. Certainly one might be more useful to an individual than another in a given context, but the cost, level of effort and non-financial benefits of any masters degree (thesis or non-thesis) would be greater than those of a certification.

Kiron
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Vincent Guerard Coach - Trainer - Speaker - Advisor| Freelance Mont-Royal, Quebec, Canada
Not the same thing, like Kiron said Apples to Oranges.

How much time monthly are you willing to put? When do you want it completed? Do you have experience?
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BHABANI SANKAR PANIGRAHY President| Mega International Maritime Academy Ltd. Craik, Saskatchewan, Canada
From regulatory point of view PMP is just a certificate and MASTER or PhD is a degree. This is my understanding.
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