John RiceSustainment Engineer| Lockheed MartinHarmony, Fl, United States
What industry is Project Management?
When I came to Saudi Arabia, my employer provided training services for the Saudi National Guard, and I started to develop training curriculums for them. What I observed was the project and program management of the provided services. My desire to learn about project management stem from my involvement. I studied my masters and PMP for the next five years. Now I want to do more with the knowledge and skills I have learned.
In my spare time, I used job search engines like Indeed, USA Jobs, and Monster for PMP employment opportunities. What I discover is the purpose of my question. Most job postings for PMP certified is in the IT industry, or if I looked specifically in Construction Management, I find opportunity. So, I am asking for your opinion, is project management industry or skill set back with particular field experience?
I know based on a functional versus a project focused organization, we could be an addition or driving force for our assigned projects. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 02, 2017 11:34 PM
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Sergio,
That is comforting however that places you in s position where you depend on your experts to guide you through the difficult decision, sounds vulnerable.
We have to undestand that critical decisions about project are taking by subject matter experts not by the project manager. That is the key point to understand. And here is where most of the project managers fail. No matter you have expertisse on a field or not you never will have the whole information to take critical decision about a project.
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2 replies by John Rice and Tim Podesta
Apr 03, 2017 5:59 AM
Tim Podesta
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Sergio agreed, you need to find and refer to the experts but not let them dictate project process - engage them in planning as well as decision making.
Apr 03, 2017 6:21 AM
John Rice
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I agree
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Tim PodestaDirector of PM/PMO| Former BP- now IndependentPenn, Bucks, United Kingdom
Apr 03, 2017 5:09 AM
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We have to undestand that critical decisions about project are taking by subject matter experts not by the project manager. That is the key point to understand. And here is where most of the project managers fail. No matter you have expertisse on a field or not you never will have the whole information to take critical decision about a project.
Sergio agreed, you need to find and refer to the experts but not let them dictate project process - engage them in planning as well as decision making.
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1 reply by John Rice
Apr 03, 2017 6:22 AM
John Rice
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the key is early engagement, isn't it?
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John RiceSustainment Engineer| Lockheed MartinHarmony, Fl, United States
Apr 03, 2017 5:09 AM
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We have to undestand that critical decisions about project are taking by subject matter experts not by the project manager. That is the key point to understand. And here is where most of the project managers fail. No matter you have expertisse on a field or not you never will have the whole information to take critical decision about a project.
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John RiceSustainment Engineer| Lockheed MartinHarmony, Fl, United States
Apr 03, 2017 5:59 AM
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Sergio agreed, you need to find and refer to the experts but not let them dictate project process - engage them in planning as well as decision making.
the key is early engagement, isn't it? Saving Changes...
Ed Tsyitee JrConsultant | Consultant Tucson, Az, United States
Right now, project management is grouped together with other management categories. So, you can be a retail manager and also be a project manager, even though that may not be an actual project manager. The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not track project management as a separate profession/industry, nor does it separate career statistics from other management jobs.
However, as you mentioned, the PMIAA legislation changes that. The BLS will start tracking that specifically. In about 2 years time, you'll see project management as a stand alone profession/industry, and statistics that define exactly what a project manager is and what the role is, including salary information.
So, for right now, project management is just a management position, all because it has management in the title.
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1 reply by John Rice
Apr 03, 2017 1:52 PM
John Rice
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Thank you, ED,
I see a brighter future for us
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John RiceSustainment Engineer| Lockheed MartinHarmony, Fl, United States
Apr 03, 2017 1:29 PM
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Right now, project management is grouped together with other management categories. So, you can be a retail manager and also be a project manager, even though that may not be an actual project manager. The Bureau of Labor Statistics does not track project management as a separate profession/industry, nor does it separate career statistics from other management jobs.
However, as you mentioned, the PMIAA legislation changes that. The BLS will start tracking that specifically. In about 2 years time, you'll see project management as a stand alone profession/industry, and statistics that define exactly what a project manager is and what the role is, including salary information.
So, for right now, project management is just a management position, all because it has management in the title.
Thank you, ED,
I see a brighter future for us
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1 reply by Ed Tsyitee Jr
Apr 03, 2017 4:13 PM
Ed Tsyitee Jr
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I do as well.
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Tim PodestaDirector of PM/PMO| Former BP- now IndependentPenn, Bucks, United Kingdom
Ed and John - I second that. With recognition of project management growing little by little around the world - for example Chartered Project Manager status in the UK, the future is bright.
P.S. I wish it was easier to find the comment the discussion on the website. I needed to scroll right to the end to find the thread.
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1 reply by John Rice
Apr 03, 2017 11:26 PM
John Rice
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Tim,
Question - Prince2 vs PMP?
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Ed Tsyitee JrConsultant | Consultant Tucson, Az, United States
Apr 03, 2017 1:52 PM
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Thank you, ED,
I see a brighter future for us
I do as well.
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1 reply by John Rice
Apr 03, 2017 11:27 PM
John Rice
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:o)
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John RiceSustainment Engineer| Lockheed MartinHarmony, Fl, United States
Apr 03, 2017 2:06 PM
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Ed and John - I second that. With recognition of project management growing little by little around the world - for example Chartered Project Manager status in the UK, the future is bright.
P.S. I wish it was easier to find the comment the discussion on the website. I needed to scroll right to the end to find the thread.
Tim,
Question - Prince2 vs PMP?
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1 reply by Tim Podesta
Apr 04, 2017 2:42 AM
Tim Podesta
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John
For me neither, though Prince 2 I've seen more in IT than PMP and in Construction (OiI, Gas and Petrochemicals) more of PMP.
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John RiceSustainment Engineer| Lockheed MartinHarmony, Fl, United States
