Bismarck AnsongBusiness Consultant| Ansong and Ansong Consulting GroupMississauga, Ontario, Canada
Hello folks! I hope all is well with everyone! My question is As Project managers who will you put in charge to do the product and project requirements? Saving Changes...
Let's be practical here. A PM is selected to manage an identified project. Failing to do at least an initial business analysis to determine if any requirement exists is not logical. That would say the PM creates his/her own requirement, forms a team, then solves their own defined requirements.
In the practical world, that is not how requirements are generated, through analysis of a need for change, followed by a decision well above any PMs level to pursue that change, and the PM inherits the initial BA for use in further fleshing out their approach to solving the requirements. That may include additional analysis by the BA assigned to the team.
Agree John.
Organizations don't cater to standards; they embrace them, adopt them, refine them as their standard practice and embed them into their organizational culture. All PMs, BAs and sponsors adapt to their culture and continue to work to bring best practices into their organizations.
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1 reply by John Tieso
Apr 12, 2017 12:21 PM
John Tieso
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Naomi:
That is an interesting discussion in itself--the relationships among change,standards, culture and practice. All of these impact the success of any effort.
In my understanding the BA will define the requirements according to many constraints and benefit expectation set by others stakeholders. Those stakeholders can be the C-suite, the external client and many more.
The product requirement will become the project input to define, plan, execute, control and close.
Some basic context is not specify in you question look at Naomi post. Saving Changes...
Bismarck AnsongBusiness Consultant| Ansong and Ansong Consulting GroupMississauga, Ontario, Canada
Great! Saving Changes...
John TiesoAuthor, Lecturer in Business Management| The Catholic University of America, Busch School of Business & EconomicsArlington, Va, United States
Apr 12, 2017 11:41 AM
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Agree John.
Organizations don't cater to standards; they embrace them, adopt them, refine them as their standard practice and embed them into their organizational culture. All PMs, BAs and sponsors adapt to their culture and continue to work to bring best practices into their organizations.
Naomi:
That is an interesting discussion in itself--the relationships among change,standards, culture and practice. All of these impact the success of any effort.
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3 replies by John Tieso and Naomi Caietti
Apr 12, 2017 1:01 PM
Naomi Caietti
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Yes,it's good to discuss but if you step back many times..have we asked all the right questions to further refine the discussion to get the right answers? Thanks John; good to see you here.
Apr 12, 2017 4:01 PM
John Tieso
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Naomi:
That is why I replied that BA is not something that exists only during team operations. We need to know what to ask, how we are expected to perform, and what results meet the challenge. If we do not ask questions on what we have received as a 'requirement' and try to fathom what that requirements really means, and what we have to do to solve it, we do not proceed from the start (Point A) to finish (Point B), instead we end at Point C--failure.
Apr 12, 2017 4:47 PM
Naomi Caietti
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John:
My last response is back to original question;we're good.
Naomi:
That is an interesting discussion in itself--the relationships among change,standards, culture and practice. All of these impact the success of any effort.
Yes,it's good to discuss but if you step back many times..have we asked all the right questions to further refine the discussion to get the right answers? Thanks John; good to see you here. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Floks: if we of us will follow the PMI`s way (you can follow the IIIBA way too) then think about is not about we understand or thinking, it is about the guides and standards. So, take a look to them. Saving Changes...
John TiesoAuthor, Lecturer in Business Management| The Catholic University of America, Busch School of Business & EconomicsArlington, Va, United States
Apr 12, 2017 12:21 PM
Replying to John Tieso
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Naomi:
That is an interesting discussion in itself--the relationships among change,standards, culture and practice. All of these impact the success of any effort.
Naomi:
That is why I replied that BA is not something that exists only during team operations. We need to know what to ask, how we are expected to perform, and what results meet the challenge. If we do not ask questions on what we have received as a 'requirement' and try to fathom what that requirements really means, and what we have to do to solve it, we do not proceed from the start (Point A) to finish (Point B), instead we end at Point C--failure. Saving Changes...
Naomi:
That is an interesting discussion in itself--the relationships among change,standards, culture and practice. All of these impact the success of any effort.
John:
My last response is back to original question;we're good. Saving Changes...
Bismarck AnsongBusiness Consultant| Ansong and Ansong Consulting GroupMississauga, Ontario, Canada
I am sorry Naomi! A Business Analyst exist in most and any meaning organization. The BA's role is doing the needs assessment of an organization and coming up with the Business Case for the project. After the Business case the BA is responsible for the Product requirements and the Project requirements is the so responsible of the Project Manager. Many folks on this platform said the same thing i am saying now. Naomi is however, adding alot of spice into the conversation. Bring it on Naomi.
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2 replies by Naomi Caietti and Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 12, 2017 6:03 PM
Naomi Caietti
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Bismarck:
Just a little spice; John is stirring things up for you here too!:) Happy Wednesday!
Apr 12, 2017 9:13 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Please let me say that is a little mistake. A buiness case is a document that is used to get the agreement to invest into the solution. So, inside the business case you need to publish estimations about how much the solution will cost (and obviously the benefits). To do that, you need to have product requirements (as the object of the solution) and you need to have project requirements (which are the basement to estimations regarding to cost). So, if you start getting product and project requirements after you have the business case then you are lost. In fact, if you review the standards (IIBA and PMI standards) you will find that the business case is the first deliverable to be created by the business analyst and it is the document you need as input for initiation process inside the project management field.
I am sorry Naomi! A Business Analyst exist in most and any meaning organization. The BA's role is doing the needs assessment of an organization and coming up with the Business Case for the project. After the Business case the BA is responsible for the Product requirements and the Project requirements is the so responsible of the Project Manager. Many folks on this platform said the same thing i am saying now. Naomi is however, adding alot of spice into the conversation. Bring it on Naomi.
Bismarck:
Just a little spice; John is stirring things up for you here too!:) Happy Wednesday! Saving Changes...
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