I've been looking at Agile and PMP and have no clue which one to write exam on first, any guidance will be greatly appreciated. I'm not even sure if this is the correct forum to raise the question Saving Changes...
John TiesoAuthor, Lecturer in Business Management| The Catholic University of America, Busch School of Business & EconomicsArlington, Va, United States
May 08, 2017 2:57 PM
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Agree with some of the previous comments, first PMP, after maybe Agile, Scrum, or Six Sigma...all depends not only the market as Aaron pointed also what you really like.
You make an interesting point here. It makes no sense to get certifications which will not be used in your employment environment. it is, of course, always good to gain more education, but, without the experience, the certification becomes less useful after a time.
Conversely, your organization may want to expand its horizons, add capabilities, and taking courses, and sitting for certifications make sense. Saving Changes...
Thomas KennedyProject Engineer| BPAberdeen, Aberdeenshire, United Kingdom
As you've said you want to be more marketable, I'm assuming you looking at new opportunities, in that case for your desired role what does the market ask for in the qualification section of the job description? Review a couple of roles and then you can select which option to pursue first. Saving Changes...
Fantastic points, thank you very much for taking the time to answer. In my environment the Buzz word lately is all about Agile and Scrum and I do find it a little frustrating to see the market asking for Agile when I find PMP way more challenging and valuable than Agile.
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1 reply by John Tieso
May 13, 2017 7:57 AM
John Tieso
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There need not be a gap here. Certify as a PMP-ACP The concepts in Agile are great in some cultures; not so good in others. Conversely, the PMP structure leaves a lot for the PM to 'fill in' as a project progresses, since each is unique. Adopting principles and practices of both where appropriate may mean doing a better job in achieving desired results
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John TiesoAuthor, Lecturer in Business Management| The Catholic University of America, Busch School of Business & EconomicsArlington, Va, United States
May 12, 2017 8:20 AM
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Fantastic points, thank you very much for taking the time to answer. In my environment the Buzz word lately is all about Agile and Scrum and I do find it a little frustrating to see the market asking for Agile when I find PMP way more challenging and valuable than Agile.
There need not be a gap here. Certify as a PMP-ACP The concepts in Agile are great in some cultures; not so good in others. Conversely, the PMP structure leaves a lot for the PM to 'fill in' as a project progresses, since each is unique. Adopting principles and practices of both where appropriate may mean doing a better job in achieving desired results Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
As you can see i have both PMI`s certifications. Let me say what I do when I decide about a certification. In my case I did estimation of future market demmads. As you know, an estimation is based on information and time. And because it is an estimation it will have an inherent error. In my case I was one of the first in the world to have PMI-ACP and PMI-PBA certifications (the first one in Latin America) because I understood that it is a competitive advantage for me. So, what first? To answer that question I perform my estimation.
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2 replies by John Tieso and Robert Whitehead
May 15, 2017 8:56 AM
John Tieso
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Sergio, your comments expand on one I made a short time ago. If you do not take into account your future potential, then you will probably miss the boat. I guess the real question in my mind, at least, is how to progress in some fashion from Point A to Point B, gaining in experience and credentialing as you have something to offer?
In your case, you are basically making your own impact through having experience at several levels, and cementing that with credentials that should obviously be important in the future. it makes no sense to run out and take a bunch of tests if you cannot back them up with experience, but in some cases, such as the PBA cert, you are possibly creating a market in your region, and that makes a lot of sense to those who will follow you.
May 15, 2017 9:59 AM
Robert Whitehead
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Thank you Sergio, I'm going to put your method to work here in SA and provide you with some feedback on what I decide. I think it may be worth aiming a little higher than just the odd certification and as John mentioned maybe look at the PBA cert as well
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Pier Luigi CalabriaProject Manager| INFORM Institut für Operations Research und Management GmbH, Aachen, GermanyAachen, Germany
@ Robert, considering that one of the requirements to subscribe to the exam is practice, I think that the answer to your question should come from the processes you used.
In concrete, if you lead agile projects, then ACP is the certificate you could subscribe to. Saving Changes...
John TiesoAuthor, Lecturer in Business Management| The Catholic University of America, Busch School of Business & EconomicsArlington, Va, United States
May 13, 2017 9:01 AM
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As you can see i have both PMI`s certifications. Let me say what I do when I decide about a certification. In my case I did estimation of future market demmads. As you know, an estimation is based on information and time. And because it is an estimation it will have an inherent error. In my case I was one of the first in the world to have PMI-ACP and PMI-PBA certifications (the first one in Latin America) because I understood that it is a competitive advantage for me. So, what first? To answer that question I perform my estimation.
Sergio, your comments expand on one I made a short time ago. If you do not take into account your future potential, then you will probably miss the boat. I guess the real question in my mind, at least, is how to progress in some fashion from Point A to Point B, gaining in experience and credentialing as you have something to offer?
In your case, you are basically making your own impact through having experience at several levels, and cementing that with credentials that should obviously be important in the future. it makes no sense to run out and take a bunch of tests if you cannot back them up with experience, but in some cases, such as the PBA cert, you are possibly creating a market in your region, and that makes a lot of sense to those who will follow you.
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1 reply by Robert Whitehead
May 15, 2017 9:56 AM
Robert Whitehead
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Thank you very much John, that is a valid point and yes I definitely agree. I do not want to become a Jack of All trades or be perceived as such in the industry. It is maybe then worth considering to put Agile on the back burner and think bigger towards my "future potential" as you mentioned. This makes a lot of sense and makes me grateful for stumbling across this website.
Sergio, your comments expand on one I made a short time ago. If you do not take into account your future potential, then you will probably miss the boat. I guess the real question in my mind, at least, is how to progress in some fashion from Point A to Point B, gaining in experience and credentialing as you have something to offer?
In your case, you are basically making your own impact through having experience at several levels, and cementing that with credentials that should obviously be important in the future. it makes no sense to run out and take a bunch of tests if you cannot back them up with experience, but in some cases, such as the PBA cert, you are possibly creating a market in your region, and that makes a lot of sense to those who will follow you.
Thank you very much John, that is a valid point and yes I definitely agree. I do not want to become a Jack of All trades or be perceived as such in the industry. It is maybe then worth considering to put Agile on the back burner and think bigger towards my "future potential" as you mentioned. This makes a lot of sense and makes me grateful for stumbling across this website. Saving Changes...
As you can see i have both PMI`s certifications. Let me say what I do when I decide about a certification. In my case I did estimation of future market demmads. As you know, an estimation is based on information and time. And because it is an estimation it will have an inherent error. In my case I was one of the first in the world to have PMI-ACP and PMI-PBA certifications (the first one in Latin America) because I understood that it is a competitive advantage for me. So, what first? To answer that question I perform my estimation.
Thank you Sergio, I'm going to put your method to work here in SA and provide you with some feedback on what I decide. I think it may be worth aiming a little higher than just the odd certification and as John mentioned maybe look at the PBA cert as well Saving Changes...
