Both approach have there pro and cons. I have yet to see Agile to be implemented successfully in other industry then IT. Most if not all, methodologies are made for IT. Saving Changes...
Morne BeeslaarManaging Director| Faolan ConsultingPretoria, South Africa
I doubt that the construction/mining industry would ever adopt Agile for anything other than perhaps FEED part of the project. Waterfall will remain defacto for a long time. Saving Changes...
Deepa KalangiManager, Program Management, Author, Trainer| CVS HealthCharlotte, NC, United States
Yes, waterfall is going to stay. BEST example projects are the HCR- healthcare reform projects that are mandated by the Government which don't compete with the market where you need Agile. Saving Changes...
Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Agile is not a project management approach. We make this mistake a lot, so let me repeat: Agile is not a project management methodology. It's a cultural model, and project management must adapt if your organization is Agile. What we call "Agile" predates software development and has close relations with Lean, so it can be used successfully in other industries. The Agile Manifesto, which specifically addresses software development, is a set of values and principles, but it does not define a method for developing software or managing projects.
When you understand that, the waterfall question does not follow. A predictive lifecycle ("Waterfall") can still be used in an Agile environment, and in many cases it should be used. What you cannot do is micromanage your team in an Agile environment, nor can you drive your plan to completion while ignoring changes that should be considered. (This should be true whether your organization is Agile or not.)
The choice between plan-driven approaches or change-driven approaches is a false dichotomy, because each is relevant in the proper context.
Great question and thanks for schooling us Wade! Saving Changes...
Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Jul 31, 2017 8:11 AM
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Agile is not a project management approach. We make this mistake a lot, so let me repeat: Agile is not a project management methodology. It's a cultural model, and project management must adapt if your organization is Agile. What we call "Agile" predates software development and has close relations with Lean, so it can be used successfully in other industries. The Agile Manifesto, which specifically addresses software development, is a set of values and principles, but it does not define a method for developing software or managing projects.
When you understand that, the waterfall question does not follow. A predictive lifecycle ("Waterfall") can still be used in an Agile environment, and in many cases it should be used. What you cannot do is micromanage your team in an Agile environment, nor can you drive your plan to completion while ignoring changes that should be considered. (This should be true whether your organization is Agile or not.)
The choice between plan-driven approaches or change-driven approaches is a false dichotomy, because each is relevant in the proper context.
Well stated, Wade. You will make Sergio proud.
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2 replies by Sergio Luis Conte and Wade Harshman
Jul 31, 2017 5:56 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!. Thank you Stéphane!
Jul 31, 2017 10:07 PM
Wade Harshman
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Ha ha, someday, maybe. I wouldn't dare to compete with Dr. Conte.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
The point is: both are not matter of comparison. Agile is a practice. Waterfall is a life cycle process based on predictive life cycle model. You can apply Agile using waterfall life cycle process. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 31, 2017 2:15 PM
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Well stated, Wade. You will make Sergio proud.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!. Thank you Stéphane! Saving Changes...
Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
I agree with the sentiments above. And thank you Sergio and Wade. Saving Changes...