Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
That's the Peter Principle.
Employees rise to the level of their incompetence.
We typically choose candidates based on past performance, rather than on skills relevant to the new position. After we promote someone to a position where they no longer excel, they get stuck in that position.
The classic example is the senior engineer who gets promoted to management, based purely on past performance as an engineer. If that new manager doesn't have good management skills, the organization has lost a top performing engineer and gained a poor performing manager.
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2 replies by Adrian Carlogea and Vincent Guerard
Aug 02, 2017 12:45 PM
Adrian Carlogea
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Hi Wade,
Usually Senior Engineers promoted to management, and by management I mean functional management, worked as Technical Leads on various projects or work activities so they have gained some management skills during their career.
There are also senior engineers that during their career have focused entirely on performing the engineering work and they have rarely been involved in technical leadership activities. These Senior Engineers usually are not promoted to management and many of them don't even want this. Some companies elevate their salaries to management level but they remain individual contributors.
A first-line manager requires both management skills but also good technical knowledge.
In conclusion a very good performer should not automatically be promoted to management unless he also posses leadership and management skills, and these skills should be demonstrated in a technical leader role.
On the other hand poor performers should never be promoted to functional management either. It is an illusion to think that you can be the people manager for a group of technical experts in a certain line of work if you are not yourself a good technical expert in that line of work.
Aug 03, 2017 11:08 PM
Vincent Guerard
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I agree with Wade statements
In the example the promoted engineer may have been better promoted to a more senior engineering role. You need to see the fit skills and individual aptitudes.
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Great comment from Wade. Before read it I would comment the same. Just to add something take a look to a seminal most of the time forgotten book: "Peopleware: Productive Projects and Teams", Publisher: Dorset House Publishing Company, Incorporated; 2nd edition (February 1, 1999)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0932633439
ISBN-13: 978-0932633439 Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Unfortunatelly, what Wade stated and I fully agree, is a common behavior most of the times, most of the times because people think is helping and motivating the person who is promoted, but in fact most of the time is burring to the person. Just in case there is no way to deal with that the leader/coach/or the name you want to use must help those person to walk along the new path. Saving Changes...
Employees rise to the level of their incompetence.
We typically choose candidates based on past performance, rather than on skills relevant to the new position. After we promote someone to a position where they no longer excel, they get stuck in that position.
The classic example is the senior engineer who gets promoted to management, based purely on past performance as an engineer. If that new manager doesn't have good management skills, the organization has lost a top performing engineer and gained a poor performing manager.
Hi Wade,
Usually Senior Engineers promoted to management, and by management I mean functional management, worked as Technical Leads on various projects or work activities so they have gained some management skills during their career.
There are also senior engineers that during their career have focused entirely on performing the engineering work and they have rarely been involved in technical leadership activities. These Senior Engineers usually are not promoted to management and many of them don't even want this. Some companies elevate their salaries to management level but they remain individual contributors.
A first-line manager requires both management skills but also good technical knowledge.
In conclusion a very good performer should not automatically be promoted to management unless he also posses leadership and management skills, and these skills should be demonstrated in a technical leader role.
On the other hand poor performers should never be promoted to functional management either. It is an illusion to think that you can be the people manager for a group of technical experts in a certain line of work if you are not yourself a good technical expert in that line of work.
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1 reply by Wade Harshman
Aug 04, 2017 9:15 AM
Wade Harshman
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Adrian, your last paragraph reminds me of the Dilbert Principle:
Companies tend to systematically promote their least-competent employees to positions which limit the amount of damage they can do (i.e. management).
The Halo Effect has pulled down many good businesses, and harmed many great careers. Not every success in 1 position will translate to success in another position.
You have to identify current skills, and if you feel someone might not have all the skills required, give them additional training/coaching towards the skills they need to pick up to perform the needed position. After assisting them with acquiring these skills, see how quickly they adapt to the learning curve. They might not be able to handle the new skills required and you'll have stopped yourself from promoting someone who might not be able to handle that particular task.
I've personally seen great salespeople get promoted to management because they were great at sales, but they couldn't coach the Patriots in a JV high school game if they had to... same I've seen in tech dev.
I've personally see trainers coach people without their knowledge to see if they can acquire the few remaining skills needed to fulfill the new position/role. If they do, then they are informed they are a candidate and proceed with the applicant/promotion process. If not, the cross-training is ended and the candidate continues with their normal position/role without ever being wiser to the nomination.
The only time I was promoted to a pure management positions was after I started in project management.
My PM knowledge and experience provided me with a good foundation for managing a dispersed team of technical members.
I would never recommend promoting someone to management unless they have had some experience. You can try out your high performers in team lead positions, to evaluate their comfort and fit.
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Aug 02, 2017 3:31 PM
Adrian Carlogea
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Hi Stephane.
When you were promoted to a managerial position (I assume it was functional management) did you have a prior working experience as a technical expert in the same line of works as your team members?
I have worked as a contractor in many companies but I have never seen a first-line manager not to come from the same line of work as his/her direct reports. Also I have never seen someone promoted to management not working at least 5 years as an individual contributor. I know an engineering manager that had worked for 25 years as an engineer before he was promoted to management.
I am not sure about other domains, but an engineering manager usually is not considered to be a specialist in management or engineering management but an engineer who was promoted to management.
The only time I was promoted to a pure management positions was after I started in project management.
My PM knowledge and experience provided me with a good foundation for managing a dispersed team of technical members.
I would never recommend promoting someone to management unless they have had some experience. You can try out your high performers in team lead positions, to evaluate their comfort and fit.
Hi Stephane.
When you were promoted to a managerial position (I assume it was functional management) did you have a prior working experience as a technical expert in the same line of works as your team members?
I have worked as a contractor in many companies but I have never seen a first-line manager not to come from the same line of work as his/her direct reports. Also I have never seen someone promoted to management not working at least 5 years as an individual contributor. I know an engineering manager that had worked for 25 years as an engineer before he was promoted to management.
I am not sure about other domains, but an engineering manager usually is not considered to be a specialist in management or engineering management but an engineer who was promoted to management.
When you were promoted to a managerial position (I assume it was functional management) did you have a prior working experience as a technical expert in the same line of works as your team members?
I have worked as a contractor in many companies but I have never seen a first-line manager not to come from the same line of work as his/her direct reports. Also I have never seen someone promoted to management not working at least 5 years as an individual contributor. I know an engineering manager that had worked for 25 years as an engineer before he was promoted to management.
I am not sure about other domains, but an engineering manager usually is not considered to be a specialist in management or engineering management but an engineer who was promoted to management.
I had some related skills, Adrian. I managed a team of database administrators and data analysts. I had database development expertise.
That experience was less useful to me as a front-line manager than did my project management experience.
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1 reply by Adrian Carlogea
Aug 04, 2017 6:04 AM
Adrian Carlogea
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Thanks Stephane.
The idea is that while the best performing expert is not necessarily the best person for a managerial position, first-line managers must always come from the same line of work as their direct reports. This does not happen always but most of the times it does.
I heard a discussion in which a project manager that has managed android software development projects had applied for an android software development team manager position. When asked how she evaluated her C++ and Java software development skills she said that she had no software development experience. The interviewer was shocked and terminated the interview immediately.
The job also involved people management and some technical involvement from the part of the manager. These two things wouldn't have been possible without a software development background.
You can't hire a coach for a sports team if he/she hasn't played the game of the team or does not a have a deep technical understanding of the game.
A technically sound member may not a good leader always!!
You must evaluate their leadership skills, understand what career path they are looking for.
If we promote a person without analyzing these skills and interest, the person may not perform well. Saving Changes...
Employees rise to the level of their incompetence.
We typically choose candidates based on past performance, rather than on skills relevant to the new position. After we promote someone to a position where they no longer excel, they get stuck in that position.
The classic example is the senior engineer who gets promoted to management, based purely on past performance as an engineer. If that new manager doesn't have good management skills, the organization has lost a top performing engineer and gained a poor performing manager.
I agree with Wade statements
In the example the promoted engineer may have been better promoted to a more senior engineering role. You need to see the fit skills and individual aptitudes. Saving Changes...
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