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What comes first? Develop Project Charter or Identify Stakeholders?

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George Lewis Program/Project Manager| DXC Technology Company Heredia, Costa Rica
What comes first? Develop Project Charter or Identify Stakeholders?
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Teresa Lawrence, PhD, PMP, CSM President| International Deliverables, LLC Hilton Head Island, SC, United States
Aug 15, 2017 12:45 PM
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What comes first? Develop Project Charter or Identify Stakeholders?

This is an easy one, but I saw someone commented that Identify Stakeholders comes first... I disagree, but want to hear from you on this... you never know...

What do you think?
You have to know what you are working on and toward before you can begin the process of identifying who is impacted, who can influence, who can resist...Project Charter THEN Identify Stakeholders. Let me know if you need some GREAT tools for identifying stakeholders. #breakthroughpm
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Mikel Steadman PMO Leader| Development Dimensions International Troy, Nh, United States
Charter.
User Stories and/or Problem Statements transforms into your business case. Your business case underpins the Charter.
The Charter will help you uncover and identify who your stakeholders should or could be. The confusion comes in because sometimes you may already know one or two of your stakeholders ahead of time. Good Luck!
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George Lewis Program/Project Manager| DXC Technology Company Heredia, Costa Rica
Aug 16, 2017 3:26 PM
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First develop proyect Charter . Get the formal autorization to use resources in other activities and get more understanding of the business case and project goal so, then Identify Stakeholder , Should be a continuous(iterative) activity during other phases. Project Charter inform you about "some" stakeholders but probably you will identify most of them with a deeply stakeholder analysis activity
Nohely - it shows you have the total understanding of the PMBOK processes and the way they iterates...

It's fairly simple and you showed it a few words... thanks for your input...
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George Lewis Program/Project Manager| DXC Technology Company Heredia, Costa Rica
Most people think that Develop Project Chart is the first thing that happens (and I'm not referring to stakeholder analysis)... It's a fact that Project Charter is the FIRST output of the Project Management Process, clear and simple.

Yet.... what other things happens prior to project charter and out of the project phases? I'll give you a tip....

Business Analysis activities...
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Carolina Arias Costa Rica
Aug 15, 2017 12:45 PM
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What comes first? Develop Project Charter or Identify Stakeholders?

This is an easy one, but I saw someone commented that Identify Stakeholders comes first... I disagree, but want to hear from you on this... you never know...

What do you think?
First Develop project charter,
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George Jucan Managing Partner| Organizational Perfomance Enablers Network Woodbridge, Ontario, Canada
Wade started on the right path - the key concepts are "iterative" and "progressive elaboration".

You cannot start either one first - both start at the same time. To be able to write the Charter (either the PM or the Sponsor) one must talk with some key people - e.g. CFO for money etc. That means one already did "identify" some key "stakeholders" in the project.

Also, to officially start a process (e.g. Identify Stakeholders) the project must be initiated - or at least in process of being initiated by developing the Charter.

It's a classic chicken and egg situation, and the only correct answer is both are started and performed at the same time, iteratively, to progressively elaborate their corresponding outputs.

Best regards,


George Jucan
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
While your doing the project charter, you start identifying stakeholders and it goes from there.
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
The project charter is the contract that states who does what for whom. It does not have to be detailed, only comprehensive. For example, the scope must be clearly bound.

Would you start work without a contract that frames the work?
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Ali Vanalli IT Project Management, Architect| PMP, ITIL, SixSigma Madison, Wi, United States
In my opinion, it depends on the project specifics and the project management methodology that is adopted per organizational culture and more importantly ability to take risks and need for flexibility.
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Drake Settsu Project Manager / Blogger Hi, United States
Great comments from the group.

The project charter will be drafted to address a need in the organization and you will be able to identify stakeholders based on the areas that the project will impact.
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