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Where is the PM in Pivotal's Methodology (Lean Startup, User Centric Design, Agile XP)?

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Lawrence Taxson Senior Program Executive| USG Vienna, Va, United States
Our organization is looking at bringing in Pivotal's methodology for application development where they focus on Lean Start Up, User Centric Design and Extreme Programming principles. When you look into each of these phases, there isn't a traditional Project Manager role. There is a Product Manager, Designers, Anchor (Tech Lead) and developers. Have any of you tackled this issue in Agile where they remove the PM role? We all know that the role a PM plays in any project is essential and typically can't be filled by these other Agile roles like a scrum master. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
Most of what you have listed are product life cycle or methodologies, independent from your project management methodology. Even agile frameworks are independent of project management.
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Peter Ambrosy Weinheim, Germany
Lawrence, what you have listed are different approaches and practises to get work done and also besides other important topics enablers to improve agility within a given project and project management framework. Project Management processes still remain also with the need to have the PM role. None of the abovementioned roles makes the PM role obsolet. For example, the famous Scrum Master does manage the "inner circle" of the project work getting done with agile practises but you still have an overarching layer above that needs to be management (Stakeholder, Procurement Processes, Communication Processes, etc.). In all your scenarios the PM is alive.
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Sep 14, 2017 1:54 PM
Lawrence Taxson
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Peter - yes, I totally agree with your statement. That's the challenge of getting this message across. People have to separate SDLC from PM Frameworks. You can apply any SDLC within the framework. It's just interesting when you talk to these pure Agile companies, that they don't call out the role of PM. Based on my experience, empowered teams don't necessarily have the right skills sets to manage / control the non-tech stuff that needs to happen to make an effort successful. Have you ever come across a way that organizations implement the PM role into these pure Agile teams?
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Lawrence Taxson Senior Program Executive| USG Vienna, Va, United States
Sep 14, 2017 1:31 PM
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Lawrence, what you have listed are different approaches and practises to get work done and also besides other important topics enablers to improve agility within a given project and project management framework. Project Management processes still remain also with the need to have the PM role. None of the abovementioned roles makes the PM role obsolet. For example, the famous Scrum Master does manage the "inner circle" of the project work getting done with agile practises but you still have an overarching layer above that needs to be management (Stakeholder, Procurement Processes, Communication Processes, etc.). In all your scenarios the PM is alive.
Peter - yes, I totally agree with your statement. That's the challenge of getting this message across. People have to separate SDLC from PM Frameworks. You can apply any SDLC within the framework. It's just interesting when you talk to these pure Agile companies, that they don't call out the role of PM. Based on my experience, empowered teams don't necessarily have the right skills sets to manage / control the non-tech stuff that needs to happen to make an effort successful. Have you ever come across a way that organizations implement the PM role into these pure Agile teams?
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
You might want your project sponsor or champion to shoulder the PM duties missing from the agile teams?
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
The PM role is not removed. When you clear understand the methods you stated you will find the role that match with PM role. My recomendation is take a look to PMI´s Software Extension document and right now to the PMBOK GUide V6 and Agile extension. You will find the answer there.

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