Definitely we should document all the change request. But many a times we are getting verbal request.
Could we accept and ask them to submit in written in future or we should tell them that we can't accept verbal request, please provide us change request in written. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Oct 08, 2017 10:55 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Sergio -
It comes down to understanding the materiality of a change. Ideally, there has been some discussion and determination of the thresholds for what constitutes a change requiring formal handling. For example, in my last organization, teams using our agile methodology were required to follow proper change control procedures for high-level requirement (e.g. theme/feature) changes, but detailed requirement (e.g. elaborated stories) changes only need to be documented in the requirements tool and sprint planning tool so long as they did not result in the addition of sprints beyond the current approved number.
Without this materiality threshold, PMs further the perception that we are just "bureaucrats".
Kiron
Sorry but I still disagree. Is not about bureaucracy. Is about save money and time. Including the Agile methods a change process is defined implicit or explicit. And changes must be recorded and analyzed in any way that best fits to the organization and the initiative but must be done. If not it is a high probability to not achieve the objectives. At the end, I think we are talking about the same. Saving Changes...
Henry HattenrathProject Consultant| Tectonic Engineering MSA LLCNew York, Ny, United States
Many PMs probably have similar personal experience that successfully worked around verbal requests for changes within the limits of project documents. But it may be unintended to suggest Agile methods and processes allow PMs to circumvent the Project Charter and Project Management Plan.
Additionally, PMBOK is a foundation that with SME input and professional judgment allows PMs to vary from processes, including scope management. But those events ultimately generate a project record, which is a primary project deliverable.
Words are not binding...
better to have a CR in writing.
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1 reply by Md. Masudur Rahman
Oct 25, 2017 10:54 PM
Md. Masudur Rahman
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Strongly agreed
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Viral ViraFunctional Manager| Media.netMumbai, Maharashtra, India
I partly agree with Sergio that all change requests should be written and documented to understand its impacts (in scope, time, cost, or any other things). However I do agree that if the request is coming from a very senior executive or the change is requested verbally due to its urgency then we should have someone else put a written request for this and should get all required approvals documents before proceeding with the change.
Regards,
Viral
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1 reply by Md. Masudur Rahman
Oct 28, 2017 5:27 AM
Md. Masudur Rahman
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I have faced lot of problems with verbal change request. Many times they denied to take the responsibility of their verbal CR.
From my perspective even in projects with a deep trust on both sides, customer and supplier, I think orally agreed CRs should be written down.
This is also kind of seriousness in business. You never now when things change, in terms of relation, partners in the project etc. pp.
Thanks for your opinion. I am agreed with you. Saving Changes...
Many PMs probably have similar personal experience that successfully worked around verbal requests for changes within the limits of project documents. But it may be unintended to suggest Agile methods and processes allow PMs to circumvent the Project Charter and Project Management Plan.
Additionally, PMBOK is a foundation that with SME input and professional judgment allows PMs to vary from processes, including scope management. But those events ultimately generate a project record, which is a primary project deliverable.
I partly agree with Sergio that all change requests should be written and documented to understand its impacts (in scope, time, cost, or any other things). However I do agree that if the request is coming from a very senior executive or the change is requested verbally due to its urgency then we should have someone else put a written request for this and should get all required approvals documents before proceeding with the change.
Regards,
Viral
I have faced lot of problems with verbal change request. Many times they denied to take the responsibility of their verbal CR. Saving Changes...
It comes down to understanding the materiality of a change. Ideally, there has been some discussion and determination of the thresholds for what constitutes a change requiring formal handling. For example, in my last organization, teams using our agile methodology were required to follow proper change control procedures for high-level requirement (e.g. theme/feature) changes, but detailed requirement (e.g. elaborated stories) changes only need to be documented in the requirements tool and sprint planning tool so long as they did not result in the addition of sprints beyond the current approved number.
Without this materiality threshold, PMs further the perception that we are just "bureaucrats".
Yes we should document all the change requests. But we can take change requests over the phone or in face to face from authorized project resources just to discuss about the relevance of the request. This could avoid an overload of the Change Management Process activities.Then when we come up to an agreement we must claim for a formal documentation of the change.