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Andrew Gburek Director Project Management| GISA Ltd Poland
I am a construction PM on the way to become a certified PMP. I was wondering what my next steps should be and what other courses/certifications we could obtain online to give us an adventage over the competition?
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Adnan Shareef EPMO Director| JEDCO (Jeddah Airports Company) Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Nov 08, 2017 3:32 AM
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Adnan-
Thanks for the input.
Let me respond by informing you that I regularly recruit for the Construction based Project Manager position.
The alphabet soup proposed by you are not the criteria we seek for these positions. The PM position in our Industry requires a certain personality, much like a football coach. The work ethic, integrity, and sense of urgency are the prime considerations, These are analyzed in conjunction with a technical skills check which includes Safety, Contracts, and the 5 Major PMP Processes.
If our intent is to offer advice and guidance to a young PMP professional, I am sure you would join me in recommending a focus on the items I have listed above.
In our Profession, the 4 items you describe do not increase the marketability of the young Candidate.
M
Thank you for clarifying the competencies needed to be a construction PM. I agree with you 100%.
However, I was answering the question of "what other courses/certifications we could obtain".
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Andrew Gburek Director Project Management| GISA Ltd Poland
I've just got my PMP certification, so far from the discussion it seems that OSHA shall be on top of my list - do you think that the following course is good enough:

https://www.osha.net/online-safety-trainin...ee-study-guide/
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Andrew Gburek Director Project Management| GISA Ltd Poland
Nov 08, 2017 3:32 AM
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Adnan-
Thanks for the input.
Let me respond by informing you that I regularly recruit for the Construction based Project Manager position.
The alphabet soup proposed by you are not the criteria we seek for these positions. The PM position in our Industry requires a certain personality, much like a football coach. The work ethic, integrity, and sense of urgency are the prime considerations, These are analyzed in conjunction with a technical skills check which includes Safety, Contracts, and the 5 Major PMP Processes.
If our intent is to offer advice and guidance to a young PMP professional, I am sure you would join me in recommending a focus on the items I have listed above.
In our Profession, the 4 items you describe do not increase the marketability of the young Candidate.
M
Where to find ARAMCO careers?
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MARK A ANNUNZIATA, Sr VP/EXPERT CONSULTANCY TO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY| ROMAN STRUCTURES, INC WELLINGTON FL Dammam, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia
Andrew-
An OSHA course is great, but you should verify that you will receive an official OSHA Certificate upon successful completion. These Certificates are registered and verifiable by potential employers online. I am not sure you will receive it by an online course.
I bump into the Saudi Aramco job ads frequently. Check out this site:
www.aramco.jobs/recruitment/findajob.aspx
Saudi Aramco appears to be strongly recommending the PMP for new hires- and they are always looking for new talent. Their primary focus will always be Safety, though this does not yet show as criteria in their Recruiting.

Good Luck!
M
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Nov 08, 2017 8:49 AM
Andrew Gburek
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The online OSH 30 course that I've linked states that it is provided by an "OSHA accepted provider" and result in "DOL OSHA Wallet Card". I'd think that it is exactly what I need?

http://tinyurl.com/y9aol79n
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Andrew Gburek Director Project Management| GISA Ltd Poland
Nov 07, 2017 5:19 AM
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Andrew-
As you already know, the Major Players in Our Marketplace (SABIC, Royal Commission, Saudi ARAMCO) all regard safety as their #1 Priority. Every weekly Progress Meeting begins with the Safety Report. This is also true of Major US players such as the US Army Corps of Engineers Projects.
1) Any NEBOSH or OSHA Certifications would be required on most Projects. Some examples: a basic life safety medical training cert is usually required, but other important certs would be HAZWOPER (hazardous waste/fuel contamination), Confined Space, OSHA 30 (basic), Crane, heavy Equipment, Scaffold Safety, Basic PPE...you get the idea. All of these Certifications cover the various work packages associated with EVERY construction Project. To be considered a true Professional you must have intimate knowledge of the Safety Requirements and Safety Plan for your Projects- usually dictated by Contract.
2) Speaking of Contracts- You need to be extremely knowledgeable about Contracts and Contract Law. As a Professional PM you must be very familiar with the various requirements of your Contract in order to communicate with the Stakeholders, including your Project Management Team.
3) In our world, you must read and understand the Saudi Labor laws, or any applicable Labor Laws in your jurisdiction. A violation of these requirements could get you in deep trouble with the Ministry and Courts. Understanding the law is a basic requirement for any PM.

These would be my top 3 areas of study and concentration required to make you a sought after Professional Project Manager!
M
Let's benchmark them: OSHA vs NEBOSH

1. Both can be studied online - 0:0
2. OSHA do not requires exam, NEBOSH requires exam in physical location 1:0
3. Both are acceptable by emloyers in the Middle East and probably treated as equal 1:0
4. ARAMCO seems to prefer OSHA 2:0
5. Costs: OSHA $169 NEBOSH around $780 3:0
6. OSHA is 30 hrs, NEBOSH is around 2 weeks 4:0

If I am not mistaken, in my case, OSHA beats the NEBOSH 4:0 - is that right?
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Andrew Gburek Director Project Management| GISA Ltd Poland
Nov 08, 2017 6:48 AM
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Andrew-
An OSHA course is great, but you should verify that you will receive an official OSHA Certificate upon successful completion. These Certificates are registered and verifiable by potential employers online. I am not sure you will receive it by an online course.
I bump into the Saudi Aramco job ads frequently. Check out this site:
www.aramco.jobs/recruitment/findajob.aspx
Saudi Aramco appears to be strongly recommending the PMP for new hires- and they are always looking for new talent. Their primary focus will always be Safety, though this does not yet show as criteria in their Recruiting.

Good Luck!
M
The online OSH 30 course that I've linked states that it is provided by an "OSHA accepted provider" and result in "DOL OSHA Wallet Card". I'd think that it is exactly what I need?

http://tinyurl.com/y9aol79n
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1 reply by MARK A ANNUNZIATA, Sr
Nov 08, 2017 11:09 PM
MARK A ANNUNZIATA, Sr
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Andrew-
You would be collecting OSHA wallet cards that prove your certifications and are registered. In my case, I have 8? of these cards/certs in my CV files (somewhere).
OSHA 30 is the starting point.

Good Luck!
M
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MARK A ANNUNZIATA, Sr VP/EXPERT CONSULTANCY TO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY| ROMAN STRUCTURES, INC WELLINGTON FL Dammam, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia
Nov 08, 2017 8:49 AM
Replying to Andrew Gburek
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The online OSH 30 course that I've linked states that it is provided by an "OSHA accepted provider" and result in "DOL OSHA Wallet Card". I'd think that it is exactly what I need?

http://tinyurl.com/y9aol79n
Andrew-
You would be collecting OSHA wallet cards that prove your certifications and are registered. In my case, I have 8? of these cards/certs in my CV files (somewhere).
OSHA 30 is the starting point.

Good Luck!
M
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