Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
There is not a good presentation at all. I was there. Elicitation started from the very begining, when no project exists, and remain active when the project has ended. That is the scope for Elicitation in business analysis. It is not because I said that. You can take a look to new PMBOK and the Practice Guide for Business Analysis. On the other side, the Preparation for Elicitation is beyond what Cheryl stated. Is amazing, I was part of the new business analysis guide group of reviewers. While I still do not know the final result, if the guide is published as I saw it, you will find things far away what Cheryl has stated. Saving Changes...
Hi Sergio
Thanks for your opinion, I will sure read the new Practical guide for Business Analysis. I still found the presentation interesting specially the collaboration of BA and PM, and it was not about BA in IT and Agile context but more generic.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Nov 08, 2017 4:29 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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If you are interested on PM and BA collaboration then my recommendation is taking the Practice Guide and read "Collaboration Points" into it. That is all you need to know about how to collaborate just in case you have the role assigned to different people (perhaps not as Kiron stated above)
It usually comes down to organizational structure & competency. If the organization has a BA capability, you'll normally end up with or more BAs on the project. The quality of their involvement relates to their competency just as it does for a PM.
Some of the most successful projects I've observed have had a very positive working relationship between a qualified, competent PM and BA.
Successful Business Analysis goes beyond elicitation to truly analyzing the needs, wants & desires from the business.
On small or low complexity projects, a BA may not be required and the PM or other team member might play that role.
Kiron
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1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Nov 09, 2017 7:59 AM
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Thanks for that experience sharing
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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Nov 08, 2017 4:02 PM
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Hi Sergio
Thanks for your opinion, I will sure read the new Practical guide for Business Analysis. I still found the presentation interesting specially the collaboration of BA and PM, and it was not about BA in IT and Agile context but more generic.
If you are interested on PM and BA collaboration then my recommendation is taking the Practice Guide and read "Collaboration Points" into it. That is all you need to know about how to collaborate just in case you have the role assigned to different people (perhaps not as Kiron stated above)
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1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Nov 09, 2017 8:09 AM
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Sergio,
thanks for the cue to maximize reading time with direct reference.
Would you say that BA exist in other industry then IT/IS? under a different name!
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Mahabubur RahmanProject Manager Structures-Bridges| Department of Infrastructure, Government of Nothwest TerritoriesYellowknife, Northwest Territories, Canada
Just to share my experience with transportation industry: I basically work for asset management and assess the maintenance need of our highways within the budget available each year. Actually there is no BA to do the cost benefit analysis. We do ourselves by using PMS (Pavement Management System) software.
There is also other tools and techniques such as: LCCA, discounted PV for selecting best design alternatives and preservation technique in a cost effective manner. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Outside the IT or Business Process Re-Engineering (Org change) I have never seen or have had a BA role on our projects I came from Petroleum.
Usually, for that industry, you have strategic planning, economists, facilities planning - that will determine the need for a project's product) ... then you have engineers to determine the design basis and other requirements, then preliminary engineering, engineering - construction, etc.
In all of these phases, the engineers or others are determining requirements and other aspects to deliver a successful project and this is why I have never seen that role.
Now let us keep in mind that majority of PMI membership today come from IT and IS so this is why we are seeing PBA certification and PMI focus on this subject. I see BA role is different than a PM role but for some reason, some PM literatures and posts keep adding scope to the PM role and we cannot seem to make up our mind, is the PM a PM or a BA or a strategic thinker or the Jack-of-all-trades but the master of none
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1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Nov 09, 2017 8:01 AM
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Thanks Mounir
So no BA in the petroleum industry. My understanding BA should not be limited to IT or IS.
I am doing since many years SAP ERP Implementation Projects. From expierence I can tell you how important an industry-experienced BA involvement is to help the team (including customer) to design and implement SCM processes (and others) accoding to different industry needs (automotive, process or manufacturing industry etc), knowing the industry specifc benchmarks etc. I never start my projects without BA (or Solution Architect) E2E involvement.
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1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Nov 09, 2017 8:06 AM
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Thanks Peter,
In IT industry BA is a clear role, like you say sometimes goes by other name Solution Architect.
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Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
I function in both capacities. The activities as part of my process are there to ensure success through engagement, facilitation, elicitation, and transparency. I'm in IT.
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1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Nov 09, 2017 8:06 AM
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Thanks Andrew
Yes IT industry is a clear user of BA.
It usually comes down to organizational structure & competency. If the organization has a BA capability, you'll normally end up with or more BAs on the project. The quality of their involvement relates to their competency just as it does for a PM.
Some of the most successful projects I've observed have had a very positive working relationship between a qualified, competent PM and BA.
Successful Business Analysis goes beyond elicitation to truly analyzing the needs, wants & desires from the business.
On small or low complexity projects, a BA may not be required and the PM or other team member might play that role.
Kiron
Thanks for that experience sharing Saving Changes...
