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Steve Ramsdell PM I| Bergelectric Queen Creek, Az, United States
I have been in construction for going on 20 years now. From an apprenticeship I rose up to a Project Manager. Going on 3-4years now I have been doing Project Management full time and all my experience in that is from school, classes, online learning, and years of field work.

I have seen in my studies that there are some things I believe would be really effective if utilized in the construction field (e.g. PM styles like agile for instance) but I have yet to see anything really utilized. I know first hand how hard it is to get construction to adapt to change, but I am wondering if it is just my experience or if others have seen what I am saying in that “Project Management in construction” is nothing like what I read and study or seen others doing.

I utilize my toolbox of PM for myself because I wouldn’t know where to start to try to change it, but I am wondering if it is either I have just been on a rough side of an industry that refuses change and hates it in general or if others have seen it as well.

I appreciate the feedback/conversation
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Matteo Girotto Moretto PM I| LivaNova Melara, Rovigo, Italy
Nov 17, 2017 3:17 PM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Matteo , Waterfall is good for that scenario as most large development projects such as roads have very detailed and precise requirements, risks, resources etc. and the requirements are not likely to change. We don't want to see daily scrums on the road with people saying what they did yesterday and what they will do tomorrow, as the answer will invariably be "um, keep laying the asphalt for another 10 miles".
In fact ! I perfectly agree with you. In large projects you need stable requirements. The later you change them the more costs rocket. Agile is also not suitable for the development of complex medical devices (my field) in which a minimum req. change induces enormous impacts on the regulatory side.
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1 reply by Peyman Mokhtarzadeh Sharabiani
Nov 17, 2017 5:17 PM
Peyman Mokhtarzadeh Sharabiani
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I fully agreed as the total penalty of delay will not exceed more than 10% of value of contract and maybe plus 5% overhead will be 15% total risk of project with maximum delay but in case of Agile Approach you shall spend more cost as you need more resource available and may reworks affect on project and cost will be double and risk may go more than delay...
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Peyman Mokhtarzadeh Sharabiani North Vancouver, Canada
Nov 17, 2017 4:37 PM
Replying to Matteo Girotto Moretto
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In fact ! I perfectly agree with you. In large projects you need stable requirements. The later you change them the more costs rocket. Agile is also not suitable for the development of complex medical devices (my field) in which a minimum req. change induces enormous impacts on the regulatory side.
I fully agreed as the total penalty of delay will not exceed more than 10% of value of contract and maybe plus 5% overhead will be 15% total risk of project with maximum delay but in case of Agile Approach you shall spend more cost as you need more resource available and may reworks affect on project and cost will be double and risk may go more than delay...
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
Nov 17, 2017 3:23 PM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Stéphane, in that highway 50 example, is that really Agile or just planned in advance knowing that future traffic would require it?
I'm going to defer to Mounir, Sante. It appears I'm out of my depth in this discussion.
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MARK A ANNUNZIATA, Sr VP/EXPERT CONSULTANCY TO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY| ROMAN STRUCTURES, INC WELLINGTON FL Dammam, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia
Steve and Jenny-

We need to put our ideas to work with one of those "wall" Contractors!

M
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Anonymous
Nov 17, 2017 4:14 PM
Replying to Peyman Mokhtarzadeh Sharabiani
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As per my over 20 years experience in construction and different EPC projects, Agile Approach is required when you did not do bellow 10 major activity:

1- Bidding properly
2- Having the detail schedule
3- Monitoring and Controlling the procedure
4- Assigning weak project manager
5- Having Qualify Vendor for major procurement
6- Forecasting of major components such as oil price,etc. and impact on project
7- Value Engineering
8- Available Qualified Resource / Asset
9- Pre-Arrange for permits
10- Proper Histogram and Cash Flow study
@Peyman

I am sorry, I do not understand your post. How can Agile be helpful in solving the problems you raised? For example, how can Agile compensate if you have assigned a weak PM or not having a detailed schedule, or ....?
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1 reply by Peyman Mokhtarzadeh Sharabiani
Nov 18, 2017 3:39 AM
Peyman Mokhtarzadeh Sharabiani
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Mounir

I have mentioned that Agile Approach is helpless in construction project. If you did not plan properly at beginning then you need agile approach but it is required to get authorization from sponsor / shareholders to implement as expenses can not be controlled...
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Peyman Mokhtarzadeh Sharabiani North Vancouver, Canada
Mounir

I have mentioned that Agile Approach is helpless in construction project. If you did not plan properly at beginning then you need agile approach but it is required to get authorization from sponsor / shareholders to implement as expenses can not be controlled...
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Anonymous
Nov 18, 2017 3:39 AM
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Mounir

I have mentioned that Agile Approach is helpless in construction project. If you did not plan properly at beginning then you need agile approach but it is required to get authorization from sponsor / shareholders to implement as expenses can not be controlled...
Peyman

that is what I do not understand - how can Agile help under the conditions that you mentioned?
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1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Nov 23, 2017 6:23 PM
Vincent Guerard
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I Understand he mean agile not Agile.
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Mansoor Mustafa Senior PM| Government Department Rawalpindi Punjab, Pakistan
Agree with Steve, practical application of agile in construction have not seen. May be adaptive agile approach as suggested Jim may be an option
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Vincent Guerard Coach - Trainer - Speaker - Advisor| Freelance Mont-Royal, Quebec, Canada
They are not technique, that is right.

They are tools that let you perform in a more agile way. In construction it is one way to have iteration. You can't contract 3 levels than decide to change the concept and demolish.... so this is the agile way.
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Vincent Guerard Coach - Trainer - Speaker - Advisor| Freelance Mont-Royal, Quebec, Canada
That is possibly cause by choices at PMI. Leaving the field open to other certification like PRINCE2 in other industry

So maybe PMI is losing it leadership in project management!

Or it is just that IT is recognizing the value of PMP by PMI now.
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