For those of you in construction related industry.
Have you put some Agile practice in your project?
What have you put in place?
How was it put in place?
How is it accepted?
Did it improve you projects? Saving Changes...
Mounir,
I have see large project that deliver a building by phase, not small like IT. The building project was deliver first the lower floor (shopping center), then mid section (office space) and finally the top section (condo and hotel).
Obviously in the capital and construction projects you can’t deliver a few concrete floor, then do some finishing. But you can deliver by phase/step. Here there is a large capital project in transportation, it can be deliver by phase, the initial part need a minimal number of stations, then it could be deliver station by station.
Construction can’t apply Agile method develop for IT, that is clear. Saving Changes...
MARK A ANNUNZIATA, SrVP/EXPERT CONSULTANCY TO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY| ROMAN STRUCTURES, INC WELLINGTON FLDammam, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia
Gentlemen-
I wrote your friend Ken Schwaber yesterday (he is from my home town, Boston) and challenged him about stealing the terminology he uses for his IT Methodology.
Have you ever played Rugby?
I played both Football and Rugby during my 4 College Years in Upstate New York, in fact. we founded the Rugby Club. For a small college we had a Great Rugby Team-a tradition that continues through today.
The term "Scrum" does NOT describe 5 white shirt guys in an air conditioned office, wearing Pocket protectors, and sipping coffee at a morning "iteration" or Sprint meeting.
The term Scrum in my world will always refer to the Macho, Huge, Battered, Bandaged, bloodied Men of my Team that grasped each other and faced their opposing counterparts, pushing and groaning while the small guys like me waited for the Ball to emerge from the "Scrum" for advancement down the field.
This is a SCRUM.
IN my opinion, unless Schwaber actually played Rugby himself, he had no right to bastardize the term to something opposite of it's true meaning.......this belittles the Game.
This is just my opinion- thanks for letting me get that off my chest!
M
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1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Nov 22, 2017 11:24 PM
Vincent Guerard
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Mark in politic the also have SCRUM. Maybe that the one they copy!
Another option
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MARK A ANNUNZIATA, SrVP/EXPERT CONSULTANCY TO THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY| ROMAN STRUCTURES, INC WELLINGTON FLDammam, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia
He should have borrowed Hillary Clinton's term- Coffee Klatch!
M Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Nov 22, 2017 10:39 PM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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Mounir,
I have see large project that deliver a building by phase, not small like IT. The building project was deliver first the lower floor (shopping center), then mid section (office space) and finally the top section (condo and hotel).
Obviously in the capital and construction projects you can’t deliver a few concrete floor, then do some finishing. But you can deliver by phase/step. Here there is a large capital project in transportation, it can be deliver by phase, the initial part need a minimal number of stations, then it could be deliver station by station.
Construction can’t apply Agile method develop for IT, that is clear.
Vincent
I agree with your description. However, keep in mind that what you are describing is a normal process of phasing/staging project work.
In some villages in Lebanon we still build a basic house, then a year or two later we might paint it or clad the outside with decorative stones; and a few years later we might add a floor for a son or daughter to build their homes. Their are Long Term Sprints :)
In capital projects we do not build a 100 KM pipeline or highway in one shot, we build it in phases. We do not build an oil refinery in one shot - we could but we also could phase construction. Etc.
The above are examples of phasing construction.
However, in term of the project life cycle, those projects still have to go through: - Feasibility stage, - Requirements stage, - Basic design stage, - Engineering stage, - Construction stage, - Commissioning sage, and - Closing stage.
So when we phase construction, we might construct and commission a block or part of a project, then a few weeks or months later we do another part until all parts are complete.
The key message to close with, the above is a normal practice in all capital and construction projects and have been practiced for centuries (not decades). Then the question is: why now we feel that we need to adopt a name from an industry that does not have a good history of delivering successful projects?
I hope I do not insult anyone by saying that (despite the issues and concerns with construction and capital projects) this industry is significantly more mature (project management wise) than IT / Tech / and maybe even defense industries. If 70% of construction projects are challenged or fail, every day we will hear about a construction company going bankrupt.
As I always say - differentiate between Agile Methods and agility. As many others will always say, there is NO agile project or agile project management; there are agile (and other) practices on traditional projects.
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1 reply by Vincent Guerard
Nov 22, 2017 11:27 PM
Vincent Guerard
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Mounir,
Agree construction don´t need to follow IT industry, and success record.
Many ideas associated to Agile where true in construction before IT existed
Gentlemen-
I wrote your friend Ken Schwaber yesterday (he is from my home town, Boston) and challenged him about stealing the terminology he uses for his IT Methodology.
Have you ever played Rugby?
I played both Football and Rugby during my 4 College Years in Upstate New York, in fact. we founded the Rugby Club. For a small college we had a Great Rugby Team-a tradition that continues through today.
The term "Scrum" does NOT describe 5 white shirt guys in an air conditioned office, wearing Pocket protectors, and sipping coffee at a morning "iteration" or Sprint meeting.
The term Scrum in my world will always refer to the Macho, Huge, Battered, Bandaged, bloodied Men of my Team that grasped each other and faced their opposing counterparts, pushing and groaning while the small guys like me waited for the Ball to emerge from the "Scrum" for advancement down the field.
This is a SCRUM.
IN my opinion, unless Schwaber actually played Rugby himself, he had no right to bastardize the term to something opposite of it's true meaning.......this belittles the Game.
This is just my opinion- thanks for letting me get that off my chest!
M
Mark in politic the also have SCRUM. Maybe that the one they copy!
