Maybe first we should ask the reader if we know the difference between the PMBOK and the PMBOK Guide?
Second, the guide is only a guide. It is not the holy book.
So,
Why many PMP and PMI students feel like the answers to every question lies in the PMBOK Guide? What trigger this post is another post when we mentioned firing someone. The response was "it does not align with the PMBOK Guide". Although this is what triggered this post, there are many situations like this.
For example, before 6th edition, the guide did not talk about benefits management - so does that mean managing projects should not consider this topic?
Also before the latest edition, the guide did not talk about stage gates, does not mean we do not need gates on projects?
The guide does not offer a clear project life cycle, does it mean we do not need life cycles? Or it is ok to confuse the process groups as project phases and the project life cycle? Saving Changes...
Mounir, I don't think there is a PM on the planet that doesn't look "elsewhere". A perfect example is everyone is this forum, its posts, articles, webinars etc.
Sante,
I am going to use your example of this forum. I do not know how many thousands of people are in this forum. Who are the one that are most active, 10, 20? Where are the rest?
I have been in workshops where participants complained that we introduced materials that were not published by PMI to supplement PMI materials.
I cannot tell you how many times people were surprised that there are other organizations in the PM community other than PMI. In my region, I would venture that 90% of PMI certificate holders never heard of IPMA, PRINCE2, GAPPS, AACE, SAVE and other organizations.
When we post things not PMP related - a few participants. Post a PMP question you will get a 100 answer, even after the person posting the question provided an answer.
Sure, most seasoned professionals like yourself, Kiron, Sergio, and many of the others that are often contributing here - have made project management as passion for them and are willing to continue learning and sharing knowledge. Others, are just trying to accumulate as many certification or badges that they can.
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2 replies by Riyadh Salih and Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Dec 11, 2017 5:16 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Yes I like to observe the pesky badge collectors.
Dec 11, 2017 5:22 PM
Riyadh Salih
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I know PRINCE2 for that you still need to be PMP or CAPM to write the exam but I am not aware of others you mentioned even your certificate of GPM I was just searching about it and found that WAW but the problem again not many knows what that designation means most popular is the PMP. I even got PMQ from MSI ( management and strategy institute) but it doesn't mean any thing after my name, so back again after all those years I found myself that I have to achieve the PMP to be more recognized.
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Anonymous
I will do another post to prove a point :) Saving Changes...
Sir Mounir,Honestly and very frankly I have been doing many successful projects after my graduation in electrical engineering since the end of eighties till now I have done many projects in middle east and Asia but never heard of the PMI or PMP until I came to north America after nine years I was a Project Manager for one of big projects then I started to hear about PMI and PMP, so you can see we were doing management without the fancy terminology just by natural approach also as I mentioned that Haman the Minister of the pharaohs was the project sponsor for the pyramids project but who was the project manager who carried out that big work with so many team members. Unfortunately the Arab now lost all standards created by them in all subjects medical, pharmacy, arithmetic, algebra, engineering an so forth and started to seek what ever standards of western society like ANSI, SAE, NFPA, CSA, IEEE, and many more,however many looks at the designation when hiring people but even the PMBOK guide state that you don't have to be certified to be a successful PM or if you are certified does not guarantee that you will be a successful for those fresh with no much experience. Age factor play big part for young generation to memorize and pass.however It was a good topic.
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1 reply by Riyadh Salih
Dec 13, 2017 8:40 PM
Riyadh Salih
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Sir Mounir, I think we are OK no misunderstanding I agree with you on what you've said lately, I am proud of your knowledge and respect your contributions.
I know PRINCE2 for that you still need to be PMP or CAPM to write the exam but I am not aware of others you mentioned even your certificate of GPM I was just searching about it and found that WAW but the problem again not many knows what that designation means most popular is the PMP. I even got PMQ from MSI ( management and strategy institute) but it doesn't mean any thing after my name, so back again after all those years I found myself that I have to achieve the PMP to be more recognized. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Dec 11, 2017 4:50 PM
Replying to Riyadh Salih
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Sir Mounir,Honestly and very frankly I have been doing many successful projects after my graduation in electrical engineering since the end of eighties till now I have done many projects in middle east and Asia but never heard of the PMI or PMP until I came to north America after nine years I was a Project Manager for one of big projects then I started to hear about PMI and PMP, so you can see we were doing management without the fancy terminology just by natural approach also as I mentioned that Haman the Minister of the pharaohs was the project sponsor for the pyramids project but who was the project manager who carried out that big work with so many team members. Unfortunately the Arab now lost all standards created by them in all subjects medical, pharmacy, arithmetic, algebra, engineering an so forth and started to seek what ever standards of western society like ANSI, SAE, NFPA, CSA, IEEE, and many more,however many looks at the designation when hiring people but even the PMBOK guide state that you don't have to be certified to be a successful PM or if you are certified does not guarantee that you will be a successful for those fresh with no much experience. Age factor play big part for young generation to memorize and pass.however It was a good topic.
Mr. Riyadh
I understand your statements.
To be clear, I never said certification is a must or it will help you succeed --- nor did I say you cannot manage projects without certification. I am not sure if we are misunderstanding each other. Saving Changes...
Anonymous
Dec 11, 2017 5:22 PM
Replying to Riyadh Salih
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I know PRINCE2 for that you still need to be PMP or CAPM to write the exam but I am not aware of others you mentioned even your certificate of GPM I was just searching about it and found that WAW but the problem again not many knows what that designation means most popular is the PMP. I even got PMQ from MSI ( management and strategy institute) but it doesn't mean any thing after my name, so back again after all those years I found myself that I have to achieve the PMP to be more recognized.
Mr. Riyadh
You said "I know PRINCE2 for that you still need to be PMP or CAPM to write the exam"
What do you mean here? Are you saying you need PMP or CAPM as a requirement BEFORE you can take PRINCE2?
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Dec 12, 2017 3:31 AM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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I think Riyadh means in order to sit the Prince2 Practitioner exam, you need either Prince2 Foundation or PMP etc.
Sir Mounir,Honestly and very frankly I have been doing many successful projects after my graduation in electrical engineering since the end of eighties till now I have done many projects in middle east and Asia but never heard of the PMI or PMP until I came to north America after nine years I was a Project Manager for one of big projects then I started to hear about PMI and PMP, so you can see we were doing management without the fancy terminology just by natural approach also as I mentioned that Haman the Minister of the pharaohs was the project sponsor for the pyramids project but who was the project manager who carried out that big work with so many team members. Unfortunately the Arab now lost all standards created by them in all subjects medical, pharmacy, arithmetic, algebra, engineering an so forth and started to seek what ever standards of western society like ANSI, SAE, NFPA, CSA, IEEE, and many more,however many looks at the designation when hiring people but even the PMBOK guide state that you don't have to be certified to be a successful PM or if you are certified does not guarantee that you will be a successful for those fresh with no much experience. Age factor play big part for young generation to memorize and pass.however It was a good topic.
Sir Mounir, I think we are OK no misunderstanding I agree with you on what you've said lately, I am proud of your knowledge and respect your contributions. Saving Changes...
