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Good estimates come from good designs

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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
My understanding is that good estimates only come from convincing designs and requirements. Of course It should be the work of entire team. If the team aren't invested in the process we cannot expect reliable estimates. Do you think we need to acknowledge weak estimates if we are comfortable with schedule risk? What is your opinion?
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
Dec 17, 2017 7:28 AM
Replying to Peter Ambrosy
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Sergio again hit the nail. It is important to understand that estimation is not one-time, it is ongoing process - The team needs to inspect and adapt. In case you have a constant team and a discipline to do it in small iterations by this the estimation's will evolve into something we can call "good estimate".
I agree on this, Peter
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
Dec 17, 2017 6:37 AM
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Agree with Sergio. Good or bad estimate depends upon how much information is available at time of estimation and how team is confident.
Thanks Mansoor for your response.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
As with most aspects of project management, tailoring, scaling and adapting practices based on a set of good principles is key. When it comes to estimation, the issue is not the range of an estimate but the commitment being made based on the confidence level place on that range. Combining estimation techniques, communicating assumptions and nailing down as many variables as can be safely nailed down can help to increase team confidence, but the reality is that till the very last day of a project we are still dealing with a probability distribution and not a certainty.

Kiron
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Dec 17, 2017 11:26 AM
Anish Abraham
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Kiron, I agree with you on this. The schedule is a set of probabilities, and I think the problem isn't in the schedule itself but how the schedule is used.
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
Dec 17, 2017 10:54 AM
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As with most aspects of project management, tailoring, scaling and adapting practices based on a set of good principles is key. When it comes to estimation, the issue is not the range of an estimate but the commitment being made based on the confidence level place on that range. Combining estimation techniques, communicating assumptions and nailing down as many variables as can be safely nailed down can help to increase team confidence, but the reality is that till the very last day of a project we are still dealing with a probability distribution and not a certainty.

Kiron
Kiron, I agree with you on this. The schedule is a set of probabilities, and I think the problem isn't in the schedule itself but how the schedule is used.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Dec 17, 2017 10:39 AM
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Sergio, I hear you. In IT projects we can break the available schedule into three parts, one for design, implementation and testing. I think depending on the methodologies we use these will be called different things, but all methodologies have time dedicated to these three activities. After all schedules should be made with skepticism, not optimism.
What you stated about divide the schedule in parts is equal to say we will have more information when we move forward into the project life cycle. Barry Bohem´s Cone of Uncertainty can show you it adding that Mr Bohem created it based on 10 years of research and statistics. Is the same I stated: estimation depends on information and time.
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Dec 17, 2017 4:58 PM
Anish Abraham
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Thanks Sergio for letting me know.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
The best estimate will usually be the last one ;-)
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Vincent Guerard Coach - Trainer - Speaker - Advisor| Freelance Mont-Royal, Quebec, Canada
I think an estimate need to be "good" in the context it is given.

In early stage it won't be precise, wide margin of error. The Cone of Uncertainty mention by Sergio.

To have a "good" estimate you need good input.
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Dec 17, 2017 4:56 PM
Anish Abraham
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Thanks Vincent for your response.
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
Dec 17, 2017 4:50 PM
Replying to Vincent Guerard
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I think an estimate need to be "good" in the context it is given.

In early stage it won't be precise, wide margin of error. The Cone of Uncertainty mention by Sergio.

To have a "good" estimate you need good input.
Thanks Vincent for your response.
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
Dec 17, 2017 2:42 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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What you stated about divide the schedule in parts is equal to say we will have more information when we move forward into the project life cycle. Barry Bohem´s Cone of Uncertainty can show you it adding that Mr Bohem created it based on 10 years of research and statistics. Is the same I stated: estimation depends on information and time.
Thanks Sergio for letting me know.
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