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Do you realize that project management is not uniform across domains?

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Anonymous
I do not know if this would be a discussion or a statement but here it is.

The majority of people here resemble PMI membership, IT or maybe to a large degree, service providers or from companies IT departments. Others come from different domains and a few from capital projects (industrial construction).

So, why this post?

The trigger for this post is the numerous discussions that we have here and when we answer, each answer from his or her perspective. These are good exchanges but we must realize the following:

1. What work in one industry or domain does not work in another
2. What work in one organization does not necessarily work in another
3. What work in one culture might not be possible in another
4. Some answers might be wrong or based on misunderstandings
5. What work in an Agile environment might be a recipe for failure in capital projects

Therefore, we must be careful as we discuss project life cycles, estimating, risk. I know many will say we know this - then great since we agree. :)
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Mounir, are you saying that PM teams are virtually non-existant outside capital projects?
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Sante

Virtually non-existent means they do not exist
what i said is this "almost non-existing outside the capital project industries"

So if almost ~ virtually -- then we are using different words to mean the same thing. What i mean by "almost" is that they are rare

One final clarification: I am talking about PMT not PT
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Dec 18, 2017 7:27 AM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Yes I know you meant "almost" when you said virtually", but I think the issue is terminology again between PMT and Project Management Team. I've heard it called Project Team and Project Management Team, does it really matter? ;-)
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Yes I know you meant "almost" when you said virtually", but I think the issue is terminology again between PMT and Project Management Team. I've heard it called Project Team and Project Management Team, does it really matter? ;-)
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Mounir -

This is why I love comparing PM methodologies to organized religions.

The underlying principles of most religions or most PM methodologies are the same, but the codification of those into a methodology/religion and the implementation of the rituals, ceremonies, practices & tools of the methodology/religion is where trouble often begins.

I've run into some folks who say, there is only one project management authority, and that's PMI :-).

Kiron
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Anonymous
Dec 18, 2017 7:27 AM
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Yes I know you meant "almost" when you said virtually", but I think the issue is terminology again between PMT and Project Management Team. I've heard it called Project Team and Project Management Team, does it really matter? ;-)
Sante

If you have project MANAGEMENT personnel on your PT then it does not matter what you call it. The intent was not the terminology but the practice.

PMT consists of project management personnel whereas the PT includes technical personnel and these have totally different skill sets and backgrounds.
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Anonymous
Here are a few links that relate to the PM and PMT

http://blog.sukad.com/20160218/is-the-proj...-of-all-trades/

http://blog.sukad.com/20170704/who-are-the...ring-a-project/
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Anonymous
Dec 18, 2017 7:56 AM
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Mounir -

This is why I love comparing PM methodologies to organized religions.

The underlying principles of most religions or most PM methodologies are the same, but the codification of those into a methodology/religion and the implementation of the rituals, ceremonies, practices & tools of the methodology/religion is where trouble often begins.

I've run into some folks who say, there is only one project management authority, and that's PMI :-).

Kiron
Hi Kiron

We even had people asking "did PMI approves or accredit this course?"

I am with you in your comment but what is not clear to me is its intention: is it supporting my point or a counterpoint? LOL
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Dec 19, 2017 8:25 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Violent support!

Kiron
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Violent support!

Kiron
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
The feedback recipient should take what is useful from the feedback providers.

We all have our beliefs, values and baggage that colour our thoughts and actions. We can strive to remove biases but it's unlikely we can remove them completely.
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