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Drew Craig Sr. Agile & Product Coach| Vanguard Philadelphia, Pa, United States
With the recent discussions on achieving past goals, and looking forward to 2018 on targets and certification goals, I wanted to gain further insight as to what motivates our community members in determining their certification bucket list.

What influences your decision?

Popularity, Interest, Work Requirement, Career Progression? A combination of several?

Tell us your story.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Just look at some buildings that have collapsed in several countries where they have thrown the contractor/PM in jail. I never said PM's were stripped from their credentials because they failed a project, we (and you) were talking about "bad" doctors, just like "bad" PMs who for example compromise their ethics will (and have) been stripped from their certification status. The doctor that got his degree did not have to go through the same level of training in the US at all, only 1 year, and if you saw the level of study they had at this particular university in Cebu City (which will go unnamed) you will know that his overall medical knowledge was low and yet he's a doctor now in the US. This doctor is story is leading us away from the real topic, and was only used to show that they too can lie on their application. Back on certifications, if IPMA have "much better" certifications, then more employers would ask for it in job adds, but they don't. I've seen maybe a few IPMA requests compared to the several hundreds for PMI (PMP) and Axelos (Prince2).
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Dec 19, 2017 4:26 AM
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Just look at some buildings that have collapsed in several countries where they have thrown the contractor/PM in jail. I never said PM's were stripped from their credentials because they failed a project, we (and you) were talking about "bad" doctors, just like "bad" PMs who for example compromise their ethics will (and have) been stripped from their certification status. The doctor that got his degree did not have to go through the same level of training in the US at all, only 1 year, and if you saw the level of study they had at this particular university in Cebu City (which will go unnamed) you will know that his overall medical knowledge was low and yet he's a doctor now in the US. This doctor is story is leading us away from the real topic, and was only used to show that they too can lie on their application. Back on certifications, if IPMA have "much better" certifications, then more employers would ask for it in job adds, but they don't. I've seen maybe a few IPMA requests compared to the several hundreds for PMI (PMP) and Axelos (Prince2).
Sante

We definitely have totally opposing perspectives on this point and that is perfectly alright.

You think PM certifications are necessary, I do not and even more, some I have lost my respect for them.

In term of losing a credential, I have yet to see a single post from PMI that says it had stripped people of their PMPs because of ethical violations (or failures). I am not looking for names - just one single message that says 5 PMPs have lost their certifications because of xyz.
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Dec 19, 2017 6:38 AM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Mounir, I doubt PMI would or should post publicly any credentials it has removed from individuals. And the individuals themselves would be the last people to post it. But here are some actual case studies from PMI, one involved a suspension, but I am almost certain there are many reasons that could result in certifications being stripped, and that PMI would uphold it's own code of ethics.

I think PM certifications are helpful, and often times necessary yes.
Dec 19, 2017 6:52 AM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Here are some of the disciplinary actions PMI may take:

1. The denial and rejection of any PMI membership application;

2. Private reprimand and censure, including any appropriate conditions or directives;

3. Public reprimand and censure, including any appropriate conditions or directives;

4. Membership probation for any period up to three (3) years, including any appropriate restrictions or conditions concerning membership rights
and any other conditions or directives;

5. Suspension of membership status for a period of no less than six (6) months and no more than three (3) years, including any appropriate conditions or directives;

6. Termination of membership and expulsion from the Institute, such expulsion which may be permanent or may be for a period greater than three (3) years but less than permanent.

They go on to say that:

"PMI may publish a notification of a final Ethics Case Decision and Order following the issuance of a Review Committee or Ethics Appeals Committee decision or ruling. This notification may be published following the conclusion of any appeals available to the Respondent."

The key word being "may".
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Mounir, I doubt PMI would or should post publicly any credentials it has removed from individuals. And the individuals themselves would be the last people to post it. But here are some actual case studies from PMI, one involved a suspension, but I am almost certain there are many reasons that could result in certifications being stripped, and that PMI would uphold it's own code of ethics.

I think PM certifications are helpful, and often times necessary yes.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Here are some of the disciplinary actions PMI may take:

1. The denial and rejection of any PMI membership application;

2. Private reprimand and censure, including any appropriate conditions or directives;

3. Public reprimand and censure, including any appropriate conditions or directives;

4. Membership probation for any period up to three (3) years, including any appropriate restrictions or conditions concerning membership rights
and any other conditions or directives;

5. Suspension of membership status for a period of no less than six (6) months and no more than three (3) years, including any appropriate conditions or directives;

6. Termination of membership and expulsion from the Institute, such expulsion which may be permanent or may be for a period greater than three (3) years but less than permanent.

They go on to say that:

"PMI may publish a notification of a final Ethics Case Decision and Order following the issuance of a Review Committee or Ethics Appeals Committee decision or ruling. This notification may be published following the conclusion of any appeals available to the Respondent."

The key word being "may".
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Stéphane Parent Self Employed / Semi-retired| Leader Maker Prince Edward Island, Canada
There is no doubt that we learn and grow when we pursue a certification. That is not the point of the certification for me. I learn and grow even without a certification as a target.

I see my certifications as milestones that tell my story.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I definitely do agree with Stephane on this - Certifications are important in many ways and I trust Deepesh / Sante made very good points.

On the other hand (This is off topic in reply to some of the comments), if someone doesn't really have the right experience and yet earned a certification in a way or another, he / she might get away for sometime but at some point, the truth will be revealed. The PM field is a very competitive field and if you do not have god expertise, you will fail so if someone lies to get a certification, they are basically lying to themselves.
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Drew Craig Sr. Agile & Product Coach| Vanguard Philadelphia, Pa, United States
Thank you, everyone, for sharing your thoughts, experiences, and opinions! Very much appreciated! Happy to see such great conversation b/t our community members.

There are certainly many motivations to continue developing professionally, with a documented achievement to show for it. It seems we all agree that any direction sought should speak directly to a current or upcoming need, both from a current organizational role and professional 'badge' for further development - or a combination! But we have to remember, these things cost money, up front and maintenance wise :), and too many will diminish their value - relevancy.

Til the next great conversation! Cheers!
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Jasbeer Singh New Delhi, India
Both, Career Progression and work requirement, to enhance the skill set and better deliver on the work currently in hand, that will automatically turns to be an area of interest.
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SONJIA SULLIVAN Snellville, Ga, United States
Personal goal and to benefit from the prestige of knowing I have gained those letters.
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Br. Ts. PUI CHEE KHIAN PMP®, PMI-RMP®, PMI-SP, CCPM (CIDB), MBA, MPM® CPE, FAAPM, FCILG, MPMI, | CPE, FAAPM, FCILG, MPMI, MMSSA, MMIM, AMIVMM, CM(ACPM) Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia
Thank you Andrew as a "professional" host to this topic of discussion. My salute too to Mounir & Sante for such a great discussion here. Thumb up to you two. I am indeed enjoy reading all the points.
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