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Should there be a Project Manager's Union?

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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
There are advantages and disadvantages to unions. However, while there is a number of organizations that can discipline projects managers, PMI being one of them, are there any unions that can or should be created to protect the interests of project managers?
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Dec 26, 2017 10:19 AM
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Which project manager interests need protecting? Unions were originally created to protect workers from physically hazardous working conditions that could lead to maiming or death, ridiculously long working hours, criminally low pay, and so forth. The worst I have to endure is the occasional annoying stakeholder.
Perhaps a project manager union would be beneficial in some areas of the world, but do project managers in more developed nations really need one? That said, there may be some legitimate project management interests that need protection that I simply never noticed.
Here's a more clear example Eric. Professional bodies (when they state audits are "random") should have to justify why some they audit someone 3 times and others zero times. Perhaps a lobby group / union with say half a million members could influence said body to come up with a system such as distributing audits to other members at least once before auditing someone else a second time. Anther example might be PDU's such as raising the PDU's for professional experience and lowering the PDU's to decimal places (just like they do for some webinars) for say reading a book or chatting in a forum; these perhaps should be 0.1 PDU for 1 hour of reading, not 1 PDU for 1 hour. Random individuals requesting this would likely get no response or change, however a large membership such as a union or lobby group would be a lot more successful.
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1 reply by Eric Simms
Dec 26, 2017 5:59 PM
Eric Simms
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I appreciate the example, Sante. I didn't realize audits were unfairly given. I wonder how many other similar practices are occurring?
Would you mind posing this question as a poll? I'd be curious to see what members on this site think.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Dec 26, 2017 4:29 PM
Replying to Anish Abraham
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Sante, I hear you. We have a professional organization at work, and I know some of the benefits like resource sharing, training etc. May be there is some potential to have an association for project managers. Anyway I will go with the group.
The "group" is around 50/50 so far Anish lol.
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
Dec 26, 2017 4:29 PM
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Sante, I hear you. We have a professional organization at work, and I know some of the benefits like resource sharing, training etc. May be there is some potential to have an association for project managers. Anyway I will go with the group.
Since you are leaning towards having a union, I hope you will get over 50%, In that case, I'm automatically in that group :)
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Eric Simms Senior Program Manager Baltimore, Maryland, United States
Dec 26, 2017 4:33 PM
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Here's a more clear example Eric. Professional bodies (when they state audits are "random") should have to justify why some they audit someone 3 times and others zero times. Perhaps a lobby group / union with say half a million members could influence said body to come up with a system such as distributing audits to other members at least once before auditing someone else a second time. Anther example might be PDU's such as raising the PDU's for professional experience and lowering the PDU's to decimal places (just like they do for some webinars) for say reading a book or chatting in a forum; these perhaps should be 0.1 PDU for 1 hour of reading, not 1 PDU for 1 hour. Random individuals requesting this would likely get no response or change, however a large membership such as a union or lobby group would be a lot more successful.
I appreciate the example, Sante. I didn't realize audits were unfairly given. I wonder how many other similar practices are occurring?
Would you mind posing this question as a poll? I'd be curious to see what members on this site think.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Dec 26, 2017 6:24 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Ok will do Eric.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Dec 26, 2017 5:59 PM
Replying to Eric Simms
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I appreciate the example, Sante. I didn't realize audits were unfairly given. I wonder how many other similar practices are occurring?
Would you mind posing this question as a poll? I'd be curious to see what members on this site think.
Ok will do Eric.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Here's the poll on the topic:

https://www.projectmanagement.com/polls/42...oject-managers-
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Vincent Guerard Coach - Trainer - Speaker - Advisor| Freelance Mont-Royal, Quebec, Canada
Sante,

I would prefer a term like Association to Union.

That would go at protecting interest of PM from various background like PMI and Prince2 (Axelos) . Sound interesting.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Dec 26, 2017 7:11 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Yes Vincent it could be an association, as long as they were project manager advocates, not project management advocates.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Dec 26, 2017 6:57 PM
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Sante,

I would prefer a term like Association to Union.

That would go at protecting interest of PM from various background like PMI and Prince2 (Axelos) . Sound interesting.
Yes Vincent it could be an association, as long as they were project manager advocates, not project management advocates.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Sante -

Association membership & credentials are a choice not a requirement. Until PMI takes over the world (of PM), there are many alternatives if someone finds their offerings or approaches lacking.

I would shy away from any type of "union" reference - they were first introduced to protect workers from unfair treatment by the companies they worked for. As soon as there is a reasonable opt-out option, a union wouldn't add much value and might introduce its own set of challenges.

PMs have the ability to vote with their wallets - if enough folks complain, any association will be forced to change their tune...

Kiron
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Dec 27, 2017 5:24 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Kiron, unions is a word, and yes the reference isn't always positive, which is why I said later it could be an association etc. The principle remains the same; an entity protecting the right of PM's. The entity would not be for just PMI members, there are many other PM's from other certification bodies ie. Axelos (Prince2) etc. Quite often if "enough folks" don't complain, it doesn't mean they don't need assistance or representation on key issues.
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Dec 27, 2017 7:25 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Sante -

Association membership & credentials are a choice not a requirement. Until PMI takes over the world (of PM), there are many alternatives if someone finds their offerings or approaches lacking.

I would shy away from any type of "union" reference - they were first introduced to protect workers from unfair treatment by the companies they worked for. As soon as there is a reasonable opt-out option, a union wouldn't add much value and might introduce its own set of challenges.

PMs have the ability to vote with their wallets - if enough folks complain, any association will be forced to change their tune...

Kiron
Kiron, unions is a word, and yes the reference isn't always positive, which is why I said later it could be an association etc. The principle remains the same; an entity protecting the right of PM's. The entity would not be for just PMI members, there are many other PM's from other certification bodies ie. Axelos (Prince2) etc. Quite often if "enough folks" don't complain, it doesn't mean they don't need assistance or representation on key issues.
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