Any change of PMI requiring all those holding PM positions globally to be certified? It seems PM and PgM are open titles that every jim and jack can hold even when they dont understand the PM concepts and practices. This is very disheartening to the certified society of PMs, especially me. What do you think? Saving Changes...
Dan BaleanOperations Mgmt.| 2089956 Ontario Inc.Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
I believe this will never happen since the idea itself has a soviet flavor... It would be great for them financially if they can do it... however I believe they do not have global jurisdiction, and there are other organizations offering competing certifications. It is not a Professional designation where national or regional bodies regulate the profession; even the criteria to get PMI certification is kind of lax, wide range of education and/or work experience requirements. Saving Changes...
Product Operations Program ManagerBarcelona, Cataluña, Spain
The decision to have certified PM or PgM must come from the employer. PMI can not require that all individuals that claim to develop a PM function to be certified, in the same manner that someone may be extremely fluent in a second or third language without having perhaps earned a single certificate or diploma that proves it.
An organization, by hiring a certified PM, is mitigating the effect of making a poor chaoice. However, and this is a topic that has been often brought up in this site, holding a certification does not necessarily mean that the holder is a good professional.
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1 reply by Mainde Mulunda
Jan 15, 2018 12:49 PM
Mainde Mulunda
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Thanks Eduard,
I think it would be a very good requirement though
PMI certification can get you to the interview (if it was so advertised that a certification is required at all) after that it's your experience of previous projects and how you handle the practical things which will be judged. And their is not certification for experience but years of hard work. Saving Changes...
Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
I agree with Najam on this. The recruiter will be looking at the experience rather than just the PMP certification,
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1 reply by Mainde Mulunda
Jan 15, 2018 12:44 PM
Mainde Mulunda
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Experience is a must yes but demonstrating competence in PM must be considered a must too. It would be a great thing
There is no single administering body for project management, unlike doctors or lawyers who are certified to operate within geographical areas. As such, you can't prevent someone from claiming to be a PM even if they have never managed a project before.
A PMP or other knowledge-based credential can be "gamed" as well - sure, it means the person can "talk the talk" but there's no guarantee they can "walk the walk".
I do know of companies that had policies regarding the title of PM being tied to holding a credential but usually those companies also verified competency and experience.
Kiron
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1 reply by Mainde Mulunda
Jan 15, 2018 12:42 PM
Mainde Mulunda
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Why then can we not have those administering bodies of PM?
There is no single administering body for project management, unlike doctors or lawyers who are certified to operate within geographical areas. As such, you can't prevent someone from claiming to be a PM even if they have never managed a project before.
A PMP or other knowledge-based credential can be "gamed" as well - sure, it means the person can "talk the talk" but there's no guarantee they can "walk the walk".
I do know of companies that had policies regarding the title of PM being tied to holding a credential but usually those companies also verified competency and experience.
Kiron
Why then can we not have those administering bodies of PM?
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Jan 15, 2018 3:44 PM
Kiron Bondale
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I think that's a great aspiration, but it would require the multiple global associations to collaboratively work towards ensuring that each country or continent was represented by a single governing PM body. And since most professionals are members of a single association only, it would become difficult to use the power of lobbying to get the associations to move in that direction, not to mention, it would also negatively impact some.
Even though project work is critical to how change gets implemented, I don't see government interference in this - they can certainly dictate standards for public sector projects including competency requirements but I doubt there will be much appetite for their getting involved in establishing standards for the private sector.
The decision to have certified PM or PgM must come from the employer. PMI can not require that all individuals that claim to develop a PM function to be certified, in the same manner that someone may be extremely fluent in a second or third language without having perhaps earned a single certificate or diploma that proves it.
An organization, by hiring a certified PM, is mitigating the effect of making a poor chaoice. However, and this is a topic that has been often brought up in this site, holding a certification does not necessarily mean that the holder is a good professional.
Thanks Eduard,
I think it would be a very good requirement though Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
I totally agree with Eduard. This is up to the employer. Some employers consider this an asset, for others it is a must.
Being certified without experience will get you no where so do you rather see someone certified and holding a PM position without a right experience or vice versa ? I personally value experience more than certification but of course certifications complement your experience. Saving Changes...
Why then can we not have those administering bodies of PM?
I think that's a great aspiration, but it would require the multiple global associations to collaboratively work towards ensuring that each country or continent was represented by a single governing PM body. And since most professionals are members of a single association only, it would become difficult to use the power of lobbying to get the associations to move in that direction, not to mention, it would also negatively impact some.
Even though project work is critical to how change gets implemented, I don't see government interference in this - they can certainly dictate standards for public sector projects including competency requirements but I doubt there will be much appetite for their getting involved in establishing standards for the private sector.
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