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I am planning for PMP and at the same time, I am also interested in Lean six sigma and 6 sigma GB or BB. But, before proceeding further, I want to know

1. Is it mandatory to get ASQ certification on GB and BB? Or can do through any other associations/ institutes?
2. If I do GB and BB through other associates/ institutes, will it be accepted by companies?
3. Is it required to do GB before BB or directly can do BB?

Request advise.
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Hi Muthukrishnan!
Here are my two cents...

Application of Six Sigma is more important. While application six sigma , you will apply project mgmt. tools and principle, leadership tools , Change management tools , lean principle , risk management, etc... So it depend on you experience , if you are a seasoned project management , doing and managing varied types of projects than you can do BB course ... But application / closing BB projects are more important than just theory or passing the exam.
Yes , ASQ is nice as they cover SS in more practical way ... But BMGi is also good ... again depend on your maturity in PM and in SS parlance ...

Hope this helps...
Cheers
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1 reply by Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
Mar 29, 2018 6:20 AM
Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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Really helpful Sanjeev. I shall make a note to conisder. Thanks
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Hi Muthukrishnan,

As with any certification or degree, the institution you get it from has a lot to do with credibility. You can get project manager certified by a lot of organizations, the CAPM and PMP from PMI are your gold standards. I don’t just say that as a PMP, job boards don’t lie. Look for PRINCE2 or other project management credentials in job postings, and then look for CAPM or PMP.

I would put green belt vs black belt in the same context a CAPM vs PMP. One is more rigorous to get vs the other. Get your certification from a credible body. If you are going through the effort to get it, make it worth the effort. Do a job search, see what employers are asking for. They’ll tell you who they trust and what level certification they require for various roles. If you intend to be a leader in the quality field, black belt would be your minimum goal.

As to the posting that 6 Sigma is more important, and you’ll learn project management while applying it, I couldn’t disagree more. That is like saying if you learn how to pour cement you’ll come to learn project management because you pour cement as part of a project. Project management knowledge areas (scope, plan, budget, resource mgmt, communication, stakeholder mgmt, etc) are distinctly different from DMAIC, DFSS, statistical analysis, and other things you’ll learn related to 6 Sigma. Together they are very powerful because process improvement is best initiated and delivered via a project. Only you can know which is best for you (one before the other, or both simultaneously). Don’t believe one can replace the other. No project manager jobs I am aware of require 6 Sigma but not some type of project management certification.

Regards,
Alex
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2 replies by Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan and Nabeel Shahid
Mar 29, 2018 6:30 AM
Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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Thanks for explanation and advise. I would consider trying for both.
May 05, 2018 9:28 AM
Nabeel Shahid
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Well i think you were a bi harsh on comparing Six Sigma with Project Management Certifications, i am a PMO and my job is monitoring of key process performance metrics in order to develop a process improvement strategy & guidlines. Than select and assign projects based on the health of core processes along with the needs of customers which ensures that the organization focuses its resources wisely. Therefore i find it mandatory for any project manager to keep a knowledge of all sort of certification courses that will help him make decisions.
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I have completed my PMP certification, Now planning to go for LSS Green Belt. I wold prefer KPMG class room training. It is for 4 days program and exam will be at last day. after 2 day you will get your certificate.
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1 reply by Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
Mar 29, 2018 6:30 AM
Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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Noted thanks
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Hi Muthukrishnan,
If nothing changed in the last years ASQ is still the certification company for Six Sigma. Like PMI for the PMP.
You can apply directly for the BB exam nevertheless there are (were?) some requirements as to have 2 BB projects validated.
As for training I can get it in several places but to be certified you need to pass a 4h exam from ASQ.
It's ben almost 10 years since I took my BB training so the best is for you to contact ASQ directly and clatify with them the details.
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1 reply by Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
Mar 29, 2018 6:31 AM
Muthukrishnan Ramakrishnan
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Ok thanks.
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Mar 02, 2018 10:13 AM
Replying to Sanjeev Nawani
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Hi Muthukrishnan!
Here are my two cents...

Application of Six Sigma is more important. While application six sigma , you will apply project mgmt. tools and principle, leadership tools , Change management tools , lean principle , risk management, etc... So it depend on you experience , if you are a seasoned project management , doing and managing varied types of projects than you can do BB course ... But application / closing BB projects are more important than just theory or passing the exam.
Yes , ASQ is nice as they cover SS in more practical way ... But BMGi is also good ... again depend on your maturity in PM and in SS parlance ...

Hope this helps...
Cheers
Really helpful Sanjeev. I shall make a note to conisder. Thanks
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Mar 05, 2018 3:07 PM
Replying to Alexander Orsini
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Hi Muthukrishnan,

As with any certification or degree, the institution you get it from has a lot to do with credibility. You can get project manager certified by a lot of organizations, the CAPM and PMP from PMI are your gold standards. I don’t just say that as a PMP, job boards don’t lie. Look for PRINCE2 or other project management credentials in job postings, and then look for CAPM or PMP.

I would put green belt vs black belt in the same context a CAPM vs PMP. One is more rigorous to get vs the other. Get your certification from a credible body. If you are going through the effort to get it, make it worth the effort. Do a job search, see what employers are asking for. They’ll tell you who they trust and what level certification they require for various roles. If you intend to be a leader in the quality field, black belt would be your minimum goal.

As to the posting that 6 Sigma is more important, and you’ll learn project management while applying it, I couldn’t disagree more. That is like saying if you learn how to pour cement you’ll come to learn project management because you pour cement as part of a project. Project management knowledge areas (scope, plan, budget, resource mgmt, communication, stakeholder mgmt, etc) are distinctly different from DMAIC, DFSS, statistical analysis, and other things you’ll learn related to 6 Sigma. Together they are very powerful because process improvement is best initiated and delivered via a project. Only you can know which is best for you (one before the other, or both simultaneously). Don’t believe one can replace the other. No project manager jobs I am aware of require 6 Sigma but not some type of project management certification.

Regards,
Alex
Thanks for explanation and advise. I would consider trying for both.
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Mar 15, 2018 2:39 PM
Replying to Sanjay Bhure
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I have completed my PMP certification, Now planning to go for LSS Green Belt. I wold prefer KPMG class room training. It is for 4 days program and exam will be at last day. after 2 day you will get your certificate.
Noted thanks
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Mar 29, 2018 5:23 AM
Replying to Diogo Simoes
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Hi Muthukrishnan,
If nothing changed in the last years ASQ is still the certification company for Six Sigma. Like PMI for the PMP.
You can apply directly for the BB exam nevertheless there are (were?) some requirements as to have 2 BB projects validated.
As for training I can get it in several places but to be certified you need to pass a 4h exam from ASQ.
It's ben almost 10 years since I took my BB training so the best is for you to contact ASQ directly and clatify with them the details.
Ok thanks.
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Mar 05, 2018 3:07 PM
Replying to Alexander Orsini
...
Hi Muthukrishnan,

As with any certification or degree, the institution you get it from has a lot to do with credibility. You can get project manager certified by a lot of organizations, the CAPM and PMP from PMI are your gold standards. I don’t just say that as a PMP, job boards don’t lie. Look for PRINCE2 or other project management credentials in job postings, and then look for CAPM or PMP.

I would put green belt vs black belt in the same context a CAPM vs PMP. One is more rigorous to get vs the other. Get your certification from a credible body. If you are going through the effort to get it, make it worth the effort. Do a job search, see what employers are asking for. They’ll tell you who they trust and what level certification they require for various roles. If you intend to be a leader in the quality field, black belt would be your minimum goal.

As to the posting that 6 Sigma is more important, and you’ll learn project management while applying it, I couldn’t disagree more. That is like saying if you learn how to pour cement you’ll come to learn project management because you pour cement as part of a project. Project management knowledge areas (scope, plan, budget, resource mgmt, communication, stakeholder mgmt, etc) are distinctly different from DMAIC, DFSS, statistical analysis, and other things you’ll learn related to 6 Sigma. Together they are very powerful because process improvement is best initiated and delivered via a project. Only you can know which is best for you (one before the other, or both simultaneously). Don’t believe one can replace the other. No project manager jobs I am aware of require 6 Sigma but not some type of project management certification.

Regards,
Alex
Well i think you were a bi harsh on comparing Six Sigma with Project Management Certifications, i am a PMO and my job is monitoring of key process performance metrics in order to develop a process improvement strategy & guidlines. Than select and assign projects based on the health of core processes along with the needs of customers which ensures that the organization focuses its resources wisely. Therefore i find it mandatory for any project manager to keep a knowledge of all sort of certification courses that will help him make decisions.
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ASQ is certainly a respected organization for quality and their certifications in Six Sigma are valuable. But other options are available to you. Such as IASSC, GAQM and Aveta Business Institute. ASQ's credentials are expensive and the examination is very rigorous. As such, I would not attempt to pursue the PMP at the same time as ASQ's GB or BB.
Certifcations from GAQM and IASSC are still valuable to Six Sigma practitioners and an excellent starting point for quality improvement while not requiring as much dedication and can be earned while preparing for the PMP.
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