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Syed Khalid Mahmood Doha, Qatar
With reference to Scope Management Knowledge area in the PMBOK guide, why is PM Plan as input to the Plan scope management ?

I thought planning scope would be the first thing to do, if yes then from where is the PM plan coming ?
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Syed Khalid Mahmood Doha, Qatar
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
I will assume that when you wrote "PM Plan" that´s mean "project management plan". There is not defined steps and times to do things inside the PMBOK Guide because it will depend on the project life cycle you are using. Scope management plan is a subsidiary plan of the project management plan then you need it as an input.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Khalid -

Remember that the processes in the PMBOK are iterative and not sequential. Once the PM Plan has been developed and approved, as things change on the project, you might find yourself revisiting Plan Scope Management which would then use the PM Plan as an input.

Kiron
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1 reply by Syed Khalid Mahmood
Feb 26, 2018 12:35 PM
Syed Khalid Mahmood
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Kiron,
Actually i wanted to know: what if the project has just started and the project management plan is yet to be developed, then in the absence of the project management plan how can it be input to Plan Scope Management.
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Syed Khalid Mahmood Doha, Qatar
Feb 26, 2018 12:29 PM
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Khalid -

Remember that the processes in the PMBOK are iterative and not sequential. Once the PM Plan has been developed and approved, as things change on the project, you might find yourself revisiting Plan Scope Management which would then use the PM Plan as an input.

Kiron
Kiron,
Actually i wanted to know: what if the project has just started and the project management plan is yet to be developed, then in the absence of the project management plan how can it be input to Plan Scope Management.
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Feb 26, 2018 2:04 PM
Kiron Bondale
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In that event, you wouldn't have a PM Plan, but other existing artifacts such as the project charter would be useful inputs.

Kiron
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Anish Abraham Privacy Program Manager| University of Washington Auburn, Wa, United States
I concur with Sergio and Kiron on this.
Project management plan is always a "work in progress" during the planning phase. So, when you are doing the scope management plan, you finalize the plan,and then add it to the project management plan.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Feb 26, 2018 12:35 PM
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Kiron,
Actually i wanted to know: what if the project has just started and the project management plan is yet to be developed, then in the absence of the project management plan how can it be input to Plan Scope Management.
In that event, you wouldn't have a PM Plan, but other existing artifacts such as the project charter would be useful inputs.

Kiron
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1 reply by Syed Khalid Mahmood
Feb 26, 2018 2:16 PM
Syed Khalid Mahmood
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Exactly my point !

This is why i thought that the input in the PMBOK guide for "Plan Scope Management" should not necessarily include Project Management Plan as input. Once the Project Management Plan has been finalized then its a different scenario.

Khalid
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Syed Khalid Mahmood Doha, Qatar
Feb 26, 2018 2:04 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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In that event, you wouldn't have a PM Plan, but other existing artifacts such as the project charter would be useful inputs.

Kiron
Exactly my point !

This is why i thought that the input in the PMBOK guide for "Plan Scope Management" should not necessarily include Project Management Plan as input. Once the Project Management Plan has been finalized then its a different scenario.

Khalid
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Feb 26, 2018 3:16 PM
Kiron Bondale
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Khalid -

the inputs list does not imply that ALL of them are applicable in every situation.

As I indicated previously, if you have to update the Scope Management Plan or the Requirements Management Plan then you'd have to take the current versions as inputs to do so.

Kiron
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Feb 26, 2018 2:16 PM
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Exactly my point !

This is why i thought that the input in the PMBOK guide for "Plan Scope Management" should not necessarily include Project Management Plan as input. Once the Project Management Plan has been finalized then its a different scenario.

Khalid
Khalid -

the inputs list does not imply that ALL of them are applicable in every situation.

As I indicated previously, if you have to update the Scope Management Plan or the Requirements Management Plan then you'd have to take the current versions as inputs to do so.

Kiron
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Syed Khalid Mahmood Doha, Qatar
Thankyou all for your valuable comments and opinions.

Special Thanks to Kiron for his clarifications and for guiding me to a better understanding of the issue.

Khalid

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