Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
I'm interested in taking the Agile project management certification. I did never work in an organization that would claim agile project management but all of my recent projects were actually fully compliant with the agile management principles.
Does anyone has experience with similar situation? Do you think such projects would be eligible for the certification requirements? Saving Changes...
I agree that they would be eligible. My company did not do Agile either, but we did do a couple projects using Scum methodology. I was able to use these hours in my application.
Good luck with your pursuit.
That's good to know Dinah, it's exactly what I will be doing. For example, I helped my previous organization transition to Agile, or I should say partly Agile (I know it's a dirty word), and also use Scrum. When doing a transformation, especially at the early adoption stage, one could hardly argue that the organization was Agile.
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1 reply by Dinah Young
Mar 01, 2018 8:13 PM
Dinah Young
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Even though my company did not do Agile and truthfully the one project failed miserably, I studied and passed the test easily. I ended up well above target.
The key for me was to understand all of the roles and what they were responsible for. For example, what is the Scrum Master's purpose - to promote Scrum within the organization, etc. The focus on the test was Scrum and XP. There was some mentioning of Lean.
Hi Sergio, I actually meant the exact opposite. I worked in environment with applied Agile principles and methods. What I meant that we were delivering projects, we did not call them agile projects. The organization never stated that their projects are delivered by agile PM because there was internal methodology and we were using that name.
That makes sense Lenka, because the organization doesn't really know what Agile is. But as you say you were still using Agile frameworks for the projects so it qualifies. Saving Changes...
Dinah YoungProject Manager / Software Asset Manager| Prince William CountySpringfield, Va, United States
Mar 01, 2018 5:07 PM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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That's good to know Dinah, it's exactly what I will be doing. For example, I helped my previous organization transition to Agile, or I should say partly Agile (I know it's a dirty word), and also use Scrum. When doing a transformation, especially at the early adoption stage, one could hardly argue that the organization was Agile.
Even though my company did not do Agile and truthfully the one project failed miserably, I studied and passed the test easily. I ended up well above target.
The key for me was to understand all of the roles and what they were responsible for. For example, what is the Scrum Master's purpose - to promote Scrum within the organization, etc. The focus on the test was Scrum and XP. There was some mentioning of Lean.
Good luck Saving Changes...
Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
Mar 01, 2018 4:15 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Agile is not about a process or method, did not start with the Manifesto, is not related to software of IT. You can apply Agile practices where you want. But PMI´s Agile certification (I have it and I was part of the group of SME that perform as QA for exam questions) is about software and it is based on the four more known methods (Scrum, DSDM, XP, TDD or FDD) and the Manifesto. The same with the Agile Practice guide. That is not good for my point of view because Agile did not born in that way. It was born in 1990 as an alternative of Lean (I was part of the group that created Agile practices). My comment is because my intention to help you. The good news is that today you have the Agile Practice Guide in place that I guess (I can not assure) is the basement for the exam. When I took the exam I was one of the first credential owners in the world and the list of books to take into account was really hugh. In my case what helped a lot was I worked with all the methods.
Thanks for your insight. I’m not worried about tough exam:)
But your are pointing out something that bothers me recently. I have certification for PMP and Business Analyses, PBA. Even PBA included some of the agile topics. I’m going through Agile methodologies training now and I feel it makes a lot of stress on pointing out that “the traditional” project management methods are “not good enough”. I completely disagree with that because I don’t really see 100% traditional methodology applied anywhere and besides projects are highly individual and although it’s good to follow a framework it’s always needed to factor specific characteristics and react in the approach you choose.
So overall I’m very unhappy to divide PMP and Agile certifications. I got recently feedback from a recruiter that being just PMP is not enough. And yes, the recruiter had probably lower understanding of project management methods than we have but the way PMP and PMP ACP is perceived is a result of how do we present it, no?
If there would be just Project management certification that would be updated to include lessons learned over years and new approaches, I believe it would be more understandable and also it would make better sense. And it would even be totally agile:) so taking the certification 10 years later would mean that you learn more up to date methods than the ones preferred 10 years ago. Then the recertification proceeds would also need to be different, you would need to learn new things to be PMP in the year of recertification. What would you think about this idea? Saving Changes...
