Eric SimmsSenior Program ManagerBaltimore, Maryland, United States
Does anyone have real-life examples of the Portfolio Management Professional (PfMP) certification or the Program Management Professional (PgMP) certification making someone more marketable than if they only had a Project Management Professional (PMP) certification? If so, can you estimate how much more money someone with a PfMP or PgMP can earn over someone with only a PMP? Most job postings I see that mention the PfMP or PgMP as a requirement say a PMP is acceptable instead. Based on this, I'm wondering if a PfMP or PgMP is really beneficial for career advancement, or if they are just a 'nice to have'. Saving Changes...
Hmm, well I haven't needed either. I would say program management certifications might be useful, but portfolio ones I am dubious of. Most portfolio managers get the job because they have done projects and programs for so long and asked by their organization to take up a portfolio. Also, I am not sure the market looks for PgMP and especially PfMP over the more well-known MSP certification at Axelos. I see far a lot more MSP's being requested in job ads than PgMP. In fact to date, I have only seen one PgMP in recruitment ads over here, but seen a bunch of MSP's. Saving Changes...
I'm also skeptical about the career benefits of either of these. Given the relatively low volume of credential holders, PMI doesn't seem to have done much research themselves into differences in salary between PgMP and PfMP credential holders and those that don't possess them.
When you are looking at Program or Portfolio Management roles, most companies are looking for deep experience rather than knowledge of a specific framework for managing programs or portfolios.
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Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
I agree with Kiron on this.
Experience is definitely more important than anything. May be the certification will help in structuring and formalizing what we already know from experience. Saving Changes...
Diwakar KillamsettyAssociate Director| Capgemini EngineeringHyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India
And further to add to Anish- to structuring and formalising we already have Project Management Office with the best practices gathered from the experts throughout the organisations. Saving Changes...
Thomas WalentaGlobal Project Economy ExpertHackenheim, Germany
The motivation to get the PgMP for me was to get better, develop myself, curiosity. These are also career benefits. Others I know did it too for gathering titles. I do not think a direct monetary benefit can be logically expected. Even if research indicates that PMPs earn more than non-PMPs, statistically, each persons situation is different. There are too few PgMPs probably to provide similar results.
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
Oct 01, 2019 12:34 PM
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Just because there is a correlation between PMP certifications and higher paying jobs does not make it a causation. (I suspect the same motivation that you use to get a certification is what gets you the higher paying job.)
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Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
Hadn’t really put much thought into it, but reading, certainly is a fair question. Both Sante and Kiron share good perspectives on it. Saving Changes...
Eric, yes it makes a profound difference in ascending the career ladder, but your question is really too general as some PMP's top out at $70K, some at twice that or more, median's about $110K (in the U.S.) - it all depends on the industry and the type of company you're looking to build a career with (but in most every case the answer would be yes).
Be mindful within the U.S. the adoption of PMIAA within Government has placed a premium on the PfMP and PgMP certified with government contractors of all kinds throughout the U.S. Note “Cloud-based Project Portfolio Management” market is forecasted to grow at CAGR (compound annual growth rate) of 14% from 2018 – 2022. One driver in the market is increasing requirements for large-scale project management” (large scale PM is another driver for the demand of those with advanced certs).
The straight truth of the matter is the proliferation of PMP cert holders has watered down the "luster" of the badge coupled with the reputation of the PMP cert itself. Cheap online prerecorded training courses focused on passing the exam (and not really learning about the profession) has produced a generation of exam passers (and not necessarily Project Managers).
There are a lot of people with no PMP cert who work as PMs and do a great job, there are also a lot of people with PMPs that really don't know what they're doing. I see PMP holders that do the job of a PgMP or even PfMP, but don't have the empowerment and currency to fully leverage their opportunities in the market due to not having the Cert. Their true value is kind of "silo'ed" in the market due to not having the cert commensurate to what they are truly doing in their job.
I would not characterize the PMP Cert as particularly distinguishing for the premium opportunities. I would characterize a PfMP or PgMP as distinguishing currency, worldwide, for the job or career ladder you're aiming for. For those not in the U.S., a little over 1 year ago our Government has adopted a PM framework (standards and practices) throughout all of Government that those seeking Government contracts must adhere to called PMIAA. Bottom line is anyone seeking a Government Contract is going to have to have actual PMI Certified management/executives on board - simply to compete and win the contract. Having a PgMP and or PfMP holder overseeing the contract is a major box that is checked in securing the deal for the Government Contractor.
I would say it's about making the choice of empowerment.
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1 reply by Eric Simms
Mar 19, 2018 5:41 PM
Eric Simms
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You raise a very good point about the PgMP and PfMP being ways to distinguish oneself from all the PMPs out there.
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Eric SimmsSenior Program ManagerBaltimore, Maryland, United States
Mar 18, 2018 9:38 PM
Replying to Andrew Smith
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Eric, yes it makes a profound difference in ascending the career ladder, but your question is really too general as some PMP's top out at $70K, some at twice that or more, median's about $110K (in the U.S.) - it all depends on the industry and the type of company you're looking to build a career with (but in most every case the answer would be yes).
Be mindful within the U.S. the adoption of PMIAA within Government has placed a premium on the PfMP and PgMP certified with government contractors of all kinds throughout the U.S. Note “Cloud-based Project Portfolio Management” market is forecasted to grow at CAGR (compound annual growth rate) of 14% from 2018 – 2022. One driver in the market is increasing requirements for large-scale project management” (large scale PM is another driver for the demand of those with advanced certs).
The straight truth of the matter is the proliferation of PMP cert holders has watered down the "luster" of the badge coupled with the reputation of the PMP cert itself. Cheap online prerecorded training courses focused on passing the exam (and not really learning about the profession) has produced a generation of exam passers (and not necessarily Project Managers).
There are a lot of people with no PMP cert who work as PMs and do a great job, there are also a lot of people with PMPs that really don't know what they're doing. I see PMP holders that do the job of a PgMP or even PfMP, but don't have the empowerment and currency to fully leverage their opportunities in the market due to not having the Cert. Their true value is kind of "silo'ed" in the market due to not having the cert commensurate to what they are truly doing in their job.
I would not characterize the PMP Cert as particularly distinguishing for the premium opportunities. I would characterize a PfMP or PgMP as distinguishing currency, worldwide, for the job or career ladder you're aiming for. For those not in the U.S., a little over 1 year ago our Government has adopted a PM framework (standards and practices) throughout all of Government that those seeking Government contracts must adhere to called PMIAA. Bottom line is anyone seeking a Government Contract is going to have to have actual PMI Certified management/executives on board - simply to compete and win the contract. Having a PgMP and or PfMP holder overseeing the contract is a major box that is checked in securing the deal for the Government Contractor.
I would say it's about making the choice of empowerment.
You raise a very good point about the PgMP and PfMP being ways to distinguish oneself from all the PMPs out there. Saving Changes...
The small number of PgMP and PfMP doesn't help the recognition, without a reasonable number it is not a certification that get ask for.
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1 reply by Eric Simms
Mar 19, 2018 9:53 PM
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True, but the glut of PMPs, some of whom aren't very good, will probably make the PgMP and PfMP valuable in the near future. It might be worthwhile to get one sooner rather than later.
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Eric SimmsSenior Program ManagerBaltimore, Maryland, United States
Mar 19, 2018 7:31 PM
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Eric,
The small number of PgMP and PfMP doesn't help the recognition, without a reasonable number it is not a certification that get ask for.
True, but the glut of PMPs, some of whom aren't very good, will probably make the PgMP and PfMP valuable in the near future. It might be worthwhile to get one sooner rather than later. Saving Changes...