So, not sure how many of you have seen that PMI now has a Program Management Certification but I'm curious as to what others think about this new certification. I haven't seen many job descriptions on the job boards that have this as a requirements. What do y'all think? Saving Changes...
Good luck talking to PMI. In the past, I have found PMI to be noncommunicative. This year I joined the PMI's Consulting SIG. What did I get for money? Basically, a bunch spam trying to sell me expensive seminars and workshops. PMI's Consulting SIG claimed they had world class templates on their website, that turned out to be a completely bogus claim. No templates to be found! I even offered my own templates as a starting point and got NO RESPONSE from PMI's Consulting SIG. I view PMI as a marketing organization and nothing more. Saving Changes...
Bipin Lekshmanan PMPProject Manager| Wipro TechnologiesEdison, Nj, United States
Interesting! I will keep that in mind. Saving Changes...
Andy JordanPresident| Roffensian Consulting S.A.Cherry Grove, AB, Canada
So I have been ruminating on this for a few days, and really think that we should do something tangible to advance this rather than just pontificate on what should be done - you can tell I'm getting serious because the long words are coming out. The one area that I struggled with was how a bunch of web forum posters could generate enough momentum to actually get something moving here. I don't doubt our abilities, but I'm going to be honest - I'm running a business and manging clients - there has to be some kind of tangible return on the investment of my time and effort. I think we need to find a partner who can help us move this forward and potentially draft some kind of standards along the lines of the framework that Mark suggests. To my mind we should approach an existing organisation that takes a rather more practical approach and the obvious choice would seem to be the American Society for the Advancement of Project Management - www.asapm.org. They are affiliated with the Switzerland based International Project Management Association - www.ipma.ch. Anyone know these people or have any other suggestions? Although I am aware of the group and its principles, I don't know much about the details. Andy Jordan, President, Roffensian Consulting Inc., www.roffensian.com Saving Changes...
Bipin Lekshmanan PMPProject Manager| Wipro TechnologiesEdison, Nj, United States
I don't know much about these organizations. Sorry. Saving Changes...
I joined IPMA when I was working in France in the late 90's but that is about the most I know - no more than any other member. However, if your objective in going to them is because PMI has been unresponsive, I'm not sure how much more IPMA will be. When I was working on the PS - Scheduling with PMI, there was talk about PMI and IPMA joining forces. With the new PMI president, not sure what the plan is. You could try speaking with Kristen Wright directly at PMI. She has always been a good resource \ sounding board for me at PMI. I'd be happy to introduce and put you in contact. All that aside, how would you envision setting this up? As Mark stated, there would have to be a scoring system and that would indicate that we need to employ the folks to score applicants correct? Fast forwarding, what would make 'our' scoring methods stand out? Mark - what areas would you score someone in? Just for discussion sake, break down the various scoring points you see for an IT PM. and by the way, I love your idea about a fico score for pm's. That's pretty cool. Saving Changes...
Talking to anyone associated with PMI is a total waste of time and energy. PMI is primarily a marketing organization selling certs on the cheap. Saving Changes...
Andy JordanPresident| Roffensian Consulting S.A.Cherry Grove, AB, Canada
I have no problem with involving the PMI per se, I'm just not sure whether this is their sort of thing - ASAPM specifically states that it is competency based and clearly needs to raise their profile so this might be a better fit with them. In terms of how it would work, I would see that we would work with ASAPM to develop a model / competency matrix together with a description of what different scores look like for each of those competencies. In terms of getting the scoring mechanism out there and into the market then I think we would need to work with ASAPM (or PMI, or whoever) to train scorers / auditors / etc on the methodology - initially at low or no cost to get it out there, but ultimately it could be a revenue generator for the organisation. The pay off for the auditors would be the opportunity to sell the scoring process, and maybe more particularly the consulting to improve the scores for the organisation / PMs being assessed. Saving Changes...
Andy JordanPresident| Roffensian Consulting S.A.Cherry Grove, AB, Canada
Sorry, one other point. If we go with an organisation other than PMI I can see this as being positioned as a more practival, more operational alternative to OPM3. Andy Jordan, President, Roffensian Consulting Inc., www.roffensian.com Saving Changes...
Mark Price PerryBusiness Driven PMO Evangelist| BOT InternationalOrlando, Fl, United States
Dear Bethany,
Regarding the FICO score for project management professionals and the scoring process in general, here are a few thoughts that come to mind.
This needs to be an "Agile Manifesto" like effort to assemble a body of like-minded individuals who have a shared vision of the need, value, and integrity of having a project management professional score and scoring process that is fair, accurate, and is meaningful to all those involved. I like to use the analogy of the golfer, or the chess player, or the tournament bridge player. Such things as one's USGA golf handicap, USCF chess rating, or ACBL bridge master points are all measures of accuracy and integrity that serve to indicate the skill of the practitioner. This is not a knowledge ranking (PMI), nor is it a competence ranking (ASAPM). Rather, it is a "getting it done" and over a long period of time ranking.
The organizational body that develops the "PM FICO Score" and scoring process should be independent of existing organizations such as the PMI. Members of the organization body can and should come from these and other such groups (standards organizations, trainers, consultants, vendors, PM communities ala Gantthead, practitioners, etc,). But the organizational body should be independent, trusted, not for profit, and not for self promotion. The organizational body should seek to advance and maintain the accurate scoring of project management professionals and it should serve these project management professionals, not become a business entity unto itself with other objectives.
The scoring itself should be fair and accurate and reflective of meaningful categories of measurement. Three categories of measurement that come into view could be 1) knowledge, 2) competence, and 3) results. And each of these categories could be weighted as follows: knowledge 25%, competence 25%, and results 50%. And there is no shortage of things definable and measurable in each of these categories. In discussions that I have had with others on this topic, one view is that the score could be on a scale, like 1 to 100, with a defined lower and upper limited. Another view, the one I prefer, is that the score is not a scale, rather an attainment that is earned and that has no upper limit. For example, and back to the golf, chess, and bridge analogies, there is no limit to those rankings. The better you are, the better your ranking. And, the whole idea is to continually acquire knowledge, increase competency, and achieve results and to be able to apply and continually re-apply to have all of that reflected in one's PM Score.
There can and maybe should be multiple practitioner classifications such as IT PM, PSO PM, Consulting PM, Program Manager, Portfolio Manager, PMO Manager, etc. Or, as an alternative, these classifications can be assessed and addressed as part of the overall cumulative PM Score, per point 3 above, serving to differentiate those that have had a significant career in all of the above from those just starting out.
Ideally, there should be no costs to the program. This could be achieved in a number of ways - donations, sponsors, corporate funding, events, etc. Rather than thinking about how many PMs are out there and how much they can be charged each year for a membership and each time they apply to improve their PM score, I would first exhaust every possible way to make this a free service. And I would do this for two reasons. First, once Pandora's Box is opened and a fee-based business model is established, then it is likely going to be very hard to ever get away from that way of thinking. Next, you will have an organization that makes money off of its members, rather than serving its members. Second, if there is no cost, participation and take up will increase both because it's free and because members will likely feel that this is a bona fide and trusted "thing" as opposed to just another organization out there trying to build up the membership base and sell stuff.
Well, I could go on and on. Any thoughts..? :)
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Andy JordanPresident| Roffensian Consulting S.A.Cherry Grove, AB, Canada
Mark, I like that approach - we eould need the support of some or all of the bodies to help with publicity (I suspect), but if we truly can make it independent then I agree that the credibility is helped tremendously. The challenges I see are 1) getting enough people to see the benefit for them until it reaches a critical mass and 2) considering how 'environmental factors' impact the score (if at all). I particularly like the chess analogy you use (bridge may be the same - not sure) - a chess players rating is directly impacted not just by win / lose / draw but also by the quality of the opposition - should a PM's score, or at least the change in the score, be impacted by the difficulty / complexity of the project; the project management maturity of the organisation, etc. If we can find some kind o simple measurement for changes in the score then I think that will go a long way towards addressing my first concern - it will be easy to sell the benefit if the commitment on a PM's part doesn't have to be huge. Andy Jordan, President, Roffensian Consulting Inc., www.roffensian.com Saving Changes...