Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
What is your explanation for gender wage gap in project management profession? I just checked the new PM salary report published on PMI site. You see that experience, certification, project complexity makes a difference in salary which makes sense. But gender difference is big though almost 40% of PMs in US are women so I don’t think that those 40% would all work on entry positions. Saving Changes...
My experience has been it depends on the culture of your organizational environment and who you represent your qualifications and salary expectations.
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1 reply by Lenka Pincot
Apr 03, 2018 8:08 PM
Lenka Pincot
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I agree Therese, it’s a lot about company culture. Some companies are very aware of this and have programs to close the gender gap. They do internal reporting on salaries per profession. But such companies are minority. Good overview on % is provide by annual McKinsey report called Women Matter. They provide such studies 10 years now.
I doubt this is just related to the PM profession but a general discrepancy within specific industries and companies. I'd be surprised if a PM role was the only one in a company reflecting such gender gaps.
Kiron
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1 reply by Lenka Pincot
Apr 03, 2018 9:56 PM
Lenka Pincot
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Indeed Kiron, wage gap is existing across professions and industries. But I was wondering if you have any opinion why it is present in PM. PM is quite structured job. As you see the main driver for the salary is experience, education and project complexity. Gender should play minimal role.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Lenka,
I went through the report too earlier. In Canada, the ratio is 66% Male to 34% Female PM's. The mean salary is $108, 244 (M) & $95,996 (F). The gap is bigger than that in the states but I am not sure I can classify this as a big gap as it might be because of the sample size / mix taken for the purposes of the survey so many factors can affect this gap which is almost 10%.
What do you think ?
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1 reply by Lenka Pincot
Apr 03, 2018 10:00 PM
Lenka Pincot
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Rami, nice try:) no, I don’t think it’s a statistical error. I involved myself into gender diversity and women in workplace topics few years ago. There is research on the topic.
I haven't seen a gap that wasn't explained by choice to leave the workforce (ie. for raising children) and then re-entering the workforce. Further, one gender is more likely to work overtime and one is not again mainly due to child-raising efforts. These factors do not play a small part in promotion and salary increase. The "gap" is not based on factual data from two genders working the same way, in the same region, with similar work experience and skill/knowledge who have both not left work for reasons such as raising children. All quantitative analysis must compare apples with apples, and none of those studies have, which is why it has been debunked time and time again. In an even playing field (considering all of the above), both genders apply for the same role, they will be paid the same for that role, and if they aren't, then that is not fair and that alone is what should be used to feed the data analysis of any "gender gap".
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1 reply by George Downing
Apr 04, 2018 10:05 AM
George Downing
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Sante,
I agree with you... let's keep it apples to apples.
If this type of discrimination is exposed let's be united in our efforts to end it, but I have never witnessed it first-hand and don't expect that I ever will. I would be fully supportive of anyone currently experiencing this today, as it is possible.
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Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
Apr 03, 2018 1:02 PM
Replying to Theresa Gilmore
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My experience has been it depends on the culture of your organizational environment and who you represent your qualifications and salary expectations.
I agree Therese, it’s a lot about company culture. Some companies are very aware of this and have programs to close the gender gap. They do internal reporting on salaries per profession. But such companies are minority. Good overview on % is provide by annual McKinsey report called Women Matter. They provide such studies 10 years now. Saving Changes...
Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
Apr 03, 2018 3:43 PM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Lenka -
I doubt this is just related to the PM profession but a general discrepancy within specific industries and companies. I'd be surprised if a PM role was the only one in a company reflecting such gender gaps.
Kiron
Indeed Kiron, wage gap is existing across professions and industries. But I was wondering if you have any opinion why it is present in PM. PM is quite structured job. As you see the main driver for the salary is experience, education and project complexity. Gender should play minimal role.
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1 reply by Kiron Bondale
Apr 04, 2018 8:12 AM
Kiron Bondale
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Unfortunately, such gender wage gaps are rarely the outcome of any careful assessment of the nature of the role and rather just reflect a rather large blind spot on the part of HR and other support functions.
I'm always in favor of having defined compensation bands with a midpoint target which most candidates will receive with those more junior coming in below and those more senior coming in above.
Another way to avoid this is to have the compensation decision made by an impartial HR compensation analyst who is not made aware of the gender or any other potential sources of bias.
Kiron
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Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
Apr 03, 2018 5:48 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Lenka,
I went through the report too earlier. In Canada, the ratio is 66% Male to 34% Female PM's. The mean salary is $108, 244 (M) & $95,996 (F). The gap is bigger than that in the states but I am not sure I can classify this as a big gap as it might be because of the sample size / mix taken for the purposes of the survey so many factors can affect this gap which is almost 10%.
What do you think ?
Rami, nice try:) no, I don’t think it’s a statistical error. I involved myself into gender diversity and women in workplace topics few years ago. There is research on the topic.
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Apr 03, 2018 10:05 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Haha no no I wasnn’t trying to say there is a statistical error but just trying to say it is not a big gap - Do you think 10% is a big gap ? :-)
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Apr 03, 2018 10:00 PM
Replying to Lenka Pincot
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Rami, nice try:) no, I don’t think it’s a statistical error. I involved myself into gender diversity and women in workplace topics few years ago. There is research on the topic.
Haha no no I wasnn’t trying to say there is a statistical error but just trying to say it is not a big gap - Do you think 10% is a big gap ? :-)
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2 replies by Adriana Cibelli and Lenka Pincot
Apr 03, 2018 10:09 PM
Lenka Pincot
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Yes I think it’s a big gap, it varies from 20 to 10% across countries
Sep 26, 2018 4:25 PM
Adriana Cibelli
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Hello Rami! There would be no gap at all! I think that gender aspects show that we have to improve as a society, these are very “antique” considerations regarding women.
Personally I think that many women give priority to raising their children and choose being not so active at work and in that case, they do not deserve the same wage that people (being women or men) that work more intensively, but not because of gender.
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Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
Apr 03, 2018 10:05 PM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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Haha no no I wasnn’t trying to say there is a statistical error but just trying to say it is not a big gap - Do you think 10% is a big gap ? :-)
Yes I think it’s a big gap, it varies from 20 to 10% across countries
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Apr 03, 2018 10:15 PM
Rami Kaibni
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I think over the coming years you will find the gap closing and don’t be surprised if you see it reversed in favor of the female Gender. Do you see that coming ?
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Apr 03, 2018 10:09 PM
Replying to Lenka Pincot
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Yes I think it’s a big gap, it varies from 20 to 10% across countries
I think over the coming years you will find the gap closing and don’t be surprised if you see it reversed in favor of the female Gender. Do you see that coming ?
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3 replies by Adriana Cibelli, Kevin Drake, and Lenka Pincot
Apr 03, 2018 10:19 PM
Lenka Pincot
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I don’t think it will happen any soon because it’s not only about the salary, it’s about the whole complex workforce environment. There is so much bias present which is influencing how men and women are perceived. It’s also linked to a cultural aspects. All of this is not going to change any soon. It requires a lot of work and awareness of companies who need to want to change it. And I know there is already a lot of effort put in place but it’s a long run.
Apr 05, 2018 6:33 PM
Kevin Drake
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I think the same as well... It is matter of time and the equation will be reversed.
Sep 26, 2018 4:27 PM
Adriana Cibelli
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It would not be good neither! You do not deserve better conditions because of gender but because of your strengths, knowledge and performance.