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How do you strike a balance if you are in (A) Ethical Organisation with Unethical Boss, (B) Notso Ethical organisation with an Ethical Boss?

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Ganesh Mahalingam Strategic Portfolio Management -PMP,CSM,AWS Certified, PostGrad(AI&ML) Chennai, Tn, India
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
The key question here is: how you evaluate if your organization is an ethical or unethical organization and how you evaluate if your boss is an ethical or unethical boss?.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Ganesh -

As Sergio has indicated, without a baseline standard, ethics is a subjective concept.

A) If the boss is contravening the organization's code of ethics then you might be obliged to report him/her. If there is a "whistle-blower" line provided you might consider using that to avoid any repercussions.

B) That's a personal decision - some people can handle working for a company which acts against their own code of ethics so long as their own work doesn't cross any ethical lines. Others will take the higher road and refuse to work for such a company.

Kiron
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Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD Senior Project Manager| Infosys Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
What should influence your projects is your own ethics, not those of your boss or the organization.
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Ganesh Mahalingam Strategic Portfolio Management -PMP,CSM,AWS Certified, PostGrad(AI&ML) Chennai, Tn, India
Thanks Sergio and Kiron, Sante for your responses! Appreciate it. I am sure ethics is a subjective concept, let me break it up with a scenario

A) In an Ethical organisation where the Boss wants to "gold plate" the product for the customer. In this scenario, Customer is going to benefit from the "gold plated" features but on ethical grounds its not meant to be added as per standard.

B) not so ethical organisation, let say one of the pipeline project which is against the environmental factor (Public) in a broad context and you have an ethical boss!

I hope this trims down a bit.

Thanks! Looking forward for the reponses.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Apr 05, 2018 9:13 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Ganesh, what I tried to point out is: terms like "Ethical Organization" does not exists "per se". You have to have something to make this type of judgment. For example, in my actual work place, we have a code of ethics in place and my actual organization expend lot of resources to help us to live it mainly because is based on organizational values. On top of it you have each country regulations that helps,
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Michael Delaney Partner| Delaney Management LLC West Chester, Pa, United States
Interesting question. As professional we need to uphold our own ethics and not compromise them. You can use some of the project or company policies to address the situation. If there is not a way to fix the issues then you may need to look for a new situation.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Apr 05, 2018 8:49 AM
Replying to Ganesh Mahalingam
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Thanks Sergio and Kiron, Sante for your responses! Appreciate it. I am sure ethics is a subjective concept, let me break it up with a scenario

A) In an Ethical organisation where the Boss wants to "gold plate" the product for the customer. In this scenario, Customer is going to benefit from the "gold plated" features but on ethical grounds its not meant to be added as per standard.

B) not so ethical organisation, let say one of the pipeline project which is against the environmental factor (Public) in a broad context and you have an ethical boss!

I hope this trims down a bit.

Thanks! Looking forward for the reponses.
Ganesh, what I tried to point out is: terms like "Ethical Organization" does not exists "per se". You have to have something to make this type of judgment. For example, in my actual work place, we have a code of ethics in place and my actual organization expend lot of resources to help us to live it mainly because is based on organizational values. On top of it you have each country regulations that helps,
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Zahara Khan Program Lead, SEDP| Silver Jubilee Development Agency Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan
@Ganesh: For situation A, if there is/are code(s) of conduct applicable in the organization itself and/or other relevant professional bodies, and the boss is going against one or more of their values, reporting to relevant authorities would be an option.

For B, I agree that the first choice is your own values. There are some who would rather leave the job (in worst situations) than work for/with/on something that goes against their core values.
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Greg Githens Author, "How to Think Strategically." Executive & Leadership Coach| Catalyst & Cadre LLC Lakewood Ranch, Fl, United States
The situational nature of ethics has been well-remarked upon by Sergio and Kiron.

I've found it most helpful to avoid ethics as a codified statement. I find it more helpful to consider ethical reasoning and strategic thinking as grounded in the specifics of the situation and reflective of individual perspective and organizational culture.

Here is a better way:

Ethics is the way we reach and justify moral positions: what is right and wrong or good and bad. Different cultures have different sets of values and ways of reaching moral decisions.
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Eric Isom Owner| learn.pmguaranteed.com Ut, United States
The purpose of the PMI Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct is to provide a global standard for the profession of project management. PMI members, certificate holders, applicants, and even PMI volunteers have agreed to abide by this code of ethics. Check it out. It provides guidance on what to do in these situations. We have a responsibility to follow the standards in this code of ethics, not only personally, but also to be informed, know the the facts of such situations, and bring violations to the appropriate body for resolution.
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Ganesh Mahalingam Strategic Portfolio Management -PMP,CSM,AWS Certified, PostGrad(AI&ML) Chennai, Tn, India
Thank you all! I appreciate your valuable inputs and view points!
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