Scrum is the most popular framework for delivering Agile projects. Kanban is perhaps the most flexible. Should PMI create certifications for these two very popular frameworks? Saving Changes...
There are already too many competing Scrum credentials out there and it is just one flavor of agile delivery.
I think PMI took the right approach of going with a credential which covers the underlying principles of agile with a bit of coverage of some frameworks. Other than continuing to evolve that one credential I don't believe they should spawn any new credentials.
In fact, they might be well served to reevaluate their credential roadmap and cull some of the less valuable ones...
lol I knew Kiron would be the first to jump in. I love to stir the pot. I know how you love to read those certification posts on Linkedin hehe ;-)
I was thinking the same thing about PMI culling some of the credentials. Are you referring perhaps to the CAPM or the PMI-SP?
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2 replies by Kiron Bondale and Rami Kaibni
Apr 10, 2018 11:30 AM
Kiron Bondale
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The CAPM and the PMI-SP are certainly two viable candidates, but I might even extend it to some of their "higher end" credentials like the PgMP and PfMP...
My perception is that a credential is worth maintaining if:
1. It provides a steady stream of revenue to PMI which more than covers the costs of maintenance
2. It is recognized in the job market, referenced in job postings and sought by hiring managers and recruiters
If it doesn't meet at least one of those two criteria, it's not worth launching or maintaining...
Kiron
Apr 10, 2018 3:42 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Sante, do not come anywhere near the SP - Don't even mention it. I've been studying for quite a while now for the exam :-)
After studying the SP & RMP, I honestly discovered how much value there is behind those certifictions. They are really solid.
Maybe the scope of Agile certification can be enhanced to accommodate more specifics about other frameworks. Saving Changes...
Dinah YoungProject Manager / Software Asset Manager| Prince William CountySpringfield, Va, United States
I agree that PMI does not need to go to this level in their certifications. The PMI-ACP already covers Agile and its methodologies. If they want to add more detail for some of the methodologies, that is fine.
But as Kiron already said there are already enough of these certifications out there. Therefore, there is not a need that must be filled.
PMI has their niche and venturing out will not strengthen them. Saving Changes...
Anish AbrahamPrivacy Program Manager| University of WashingtonAuburn, Wa, United States
I agree with my colleagues here. It looks like PMI-ACP provides in-depth understanding of agile projects and is familiar with many subsets of the agile methodology, including Scrum, Kanban, and Lean. Saving Changes...
Yes all true, but the Scrum, XP, Kanban and Lean components in the Agile Practice Guide are not in depth enough to be considered at certification level, so that is not a valid argument. An idea might be to, as Najam said, include more details about the other frameworks. On the PMI-ACP exam I did recent.y, I can recall two questions on Scrum, a couple on Lean and perhaps 1 on Kanban. Nothing on XP etc. This is hardly representative considering the large share of the framework market that Scrum, Kanban, Lean and XP have. Saving Changes...
lol I knew Kiron would be the first to jump in. I love to stir the pot. I know how you love to read those certification posts on Linkedin hehe ;-)
I was thinking the same thing about PMI culling some of the credentials. Are you referring perhaps to the CAPM or the PMI-SP?
The CAPM and the PMI-SP are certainly two viable candidates, but I might even extend it to some of their "higher end" credentials like the PgMP and PfMP...
My perception is that a credential is worth maintaining if:
1. It provides a steady stream of revenue to PMI which more than covers the costs of maintenance
2. It is recognized in the job market, referenced in job postings and sought by hiring managers and recruiters
If it doesn't meet at least one of those two criteria, it's not worth launching or maintaining...
Kiron
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1 reply by Rami Kaibni
Apr 10, 2018 8:31 PM
Rami Kaibni
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Kiron, take it easy on the SP side :D
I am currently studying for the SP and to be honest, I really think it is a great certification to pursue for so many different reasons esepially if you work in project controls like we do. For example, in the gulf region, it is highly reputable and required.
The issue with this and why I believe you find lower number of certified candidates is because they have a solid competition which is the PSP. I know a lot of people PSP Certified.
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Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
No. The PMI-ACP is enough as a broad overall focus. The rest is best left to the 'specialist' governing bodies. Saving Changes...
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Apr 10, 2018 8:19 AM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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lol I knew Kiron would be the first to jump in. I love to stir the pot. I know how you love to read those certification posts on Linkedin hehe ;-)
I was thinking the same thing about PMI culling some of the credentials. Are you referring perhaps to the CAPM or the PMI-SP?
Sante, do not come anywhere near the SP - Don't even mention it. I've been studying for quite a while now for the exam :-)
After studying the SP & RMP, I honestly discovered how much value there is behind those certifictions. They are really solid.
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2 replies by Dinah Young and Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 10, 2018 3:49 PM
Dinah Young
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Ha Ha... I was waiting for you to jump in Rami.
I did look at the number of people who have the PgMP and PfMP
On this site only 1,294 have the PgMP
And only 391 have the PfMP
So I can see where you say that they may not be cost-effective.
The CAPM has always confused me. If it is basically the same test as the PMP, why isn't there a way to just do an "upgrade" when you get the required experience.
The PMI-SP, PMI-PBA, etc are fine by me.
Apr 10, 2018 8:08 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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lol Rami, except you, you can be the last SP before they cut it hehe. Nah they will keep both of course because there is so much scheduling around. And the RMP in my view is one of the most valuable certifications, and I didn't have it (yet) ;-)
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