Many Scrum professionals stick to the mantra that unless Scrum is followed 100% down to the very last detail, then it is not Scrum. What do you think? Saving Changes...
Eric SimmsSenior Program ManagerBaltimore, Maryland, United States
Scrum isn't Scrum unless its principles are followed 100%. I think this distinction is important because often companies don't follow Scrum 100%, then blame their failure on Scrum when in reality their modifications to Scrum caused their downfall.
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 23, 2018 7:42 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Interesting Eric, it seems the world of Scrum professionals is split down the middle on this one.
Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten AssociatesNew Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
The Scrum guide mentions that if you do not apply scrum in its entirety then it is not Scrum but except for software developments, you can't really apply scrum in its entirety but you can tailor it to suit other industries or use parts of it for imporvement in a certain industry so I think Scrum should be flexible about this !
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 23, 2018 8:29 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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I agree Rami, it's a hot topic that would benefit from clarification. Failing that, it may just be a case of as I have said, purists vs realists.
Scrum isn't Scrum unless its principles are followed 100%. I think this distinction is important because often companies don't follow Scrum 100%, then blame their failure on Scrum when in reality their modifications to Scrum caused their downfall.
Interesting Eric, it seems the world of Scrum professionals is split down the middle on this one. Saving Changes...
The Scrum guide mentions that if you do not apply scrum in its entirety then it is not Scrum but except for software developments, you can't really apply scrum in its entirety but you can tailor it to suit other industries or use parts of it for imporvement in a certain industry so I think Scrum should be flexible about this !
I agree Rami, it's a hot topic that would benefit from clarification. Failing that, it may just be a case of as I have said, purists vs realists. Saving Changes...
I think it's the difference between understanding the essence of Scrum (i.e. values) vs. rigidly sticking to artifacts & ceremonies but ignoring the values.
I've seen many teams "doing" Scrum and failing miserably - I'd prefer to see a team which has the self-awareness to know which ceremonies, artifacts & roles are adding value but really living the values of Scrum.
If we have to apply it 100%, we'd be forever stuck in "Shu"...
Kiron
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 24, 2018 8:22 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Very true, stuck in the Shu, and yet there it is in black and white in the Scrum guide.
I think it's the difference between understanding the essence of Scrum (i.e. values) vs. rigidly sticking to artifacts & ceremonies but ignoring the values.
I've seen many teams "doing" Scrum and failing miserably - I'd prefer to see a team which has the self-awareness to know which ceremonies, artifacts & roles are adding value but really living the values of Scrum.
If we have to apply it 100%, we'd be forever stuck in "Shu"...
Kiron
Very true, stuck in the Shu, and yet there it is in black and white in the Scrum guide. Saving Changes...
Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
Maybe we need another Scrum. Scrum that would be considered useful but not required as 100%of the original scrum. I believe it will bring value too. Any ideas on the name? :)
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3 replies by Boon Siang Tay, Rami Kaibni, and Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 24, 2018 8:39 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Interesting you said that, as I have been thinking the same. I believe over time something will emerge. In the meantime. I guess we need to analyze how Scrum is implemented in these non-tech domains and then we will have a better idea of what is useful and what is less useful.
Apr 24, 2018 9:25 PM
Boon Siang Tay
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At Scrum.org, there is a new Kanban Guide for Scrum Teams (April 2018 version). I'm looking forward into applying Kanban "together" with Scrum. It may be a way out of the strictest 100% guideline.
Their new certification Professional Scrum with Kanban (PSK I) is certainly sending a message .....
Apr 25, 2018 10:21 AM
Rami Kaibni
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Very Interesting. Believe it or not, I was thinking of the same thing too.
Maybe we need another Scrum. Scrum that would be considered useful but not required as 100%of the original scrum. I believe it will bring value too. Any ideas on the name? :)
Interesting you said that, as I have been thinking the same. I believe over time something will emerge. In the meantime. I guess we need to analyze how Scrum is implemented in these non-tech domains and then we will have a better idea of what is useful and what is less useful.
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1 reply by Lenka Pincot
Apr 24, 2018 8:49 PM
Lenka Pincot
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Indeed. I would propose to look at the topic this way - try to come up with a question what actually blocks PMs who are using agile practices from applying 100% Scrum on their projects. The do a poll to get more feeling about weight of the particular issues.
You will see the most frequent bottlenecks and then it’s time to propose a method that will overcome them or provide alternatives. I’m happy to help with this part. I love to design methodologies. We can create a working group. It will be fun:)
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Lenka PincotChief of Staff to the CEO| Project Management InstituteParis, France
Apr 24, 2018 8:39 PM
Replying to Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Interesting you said that, as I have been thinking the same. I believe over time something will emerge. In the meantime. I guess we need to analyze how Scrum is implemented in these non-tech domains and then we will have a better idea of what is useful and what is less useful.
Indeed. I would propose to look at the topic this way - try to come up with a question what actually blocks PMs who are using agile practices from applying 100% Scrum on their projects. The do a poll to get more feeling about weight of the particular issues.
You will see the most frequent bottlenecks and then it’s time to propose a method that will overcome them or provide alternatives. I’m happy to help with this part. I love to design methodologies. We can create a working group. It will be fun:)
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1 reply by Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 24, 2018 9:32 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Absolutely, it will be fun. The focus has been IT and software for so long, with only ad-hoc Scrum done in the non-tech domains. So perhaps it's time to get serious about exactly how Scrum can be utilized/improved/modified in these other domains.
Maybe we need another Scrum. Scrum that would be considered useful but not required as 100%of the original scrum. I believe it will bring value too. Any ideas on the name? :)
At Scrum.org, there is a new Kanban Guide for Scrum Teams (April 2018 version). I'm looking forward into applying Kanban "together" with Scrum. It may be a way out of the strictest 100% guideline.
Their new certification Professional Scrum with Kanban (PSK I) is certainly sending a message .....
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2 replies by Lenka Pincot and Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
Apr 24, 2018 9:34 PM
Sante Delle-Vergini, PhD
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Thanks Boon, yes I saw that on their website, and that is certainly one alternative. However, I am specifically looking at ways that Scrum can be applied or modified or improved to assist project in non-tech domains. I understand that kanban is more flow focused and non-iterative.
Apr 25, 2018 10:40 AM
Lenka Pincot
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Combining Kanban and Scrum sounds like a very good way. For instance we are routinely using Kanban boards to manage the project tasks and monitoring WIP to get things done.
Thanks for sharing!
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