Jesus MartheynProject Manager SR Lvl 2| GlobantMedellin, Antioquia, Colombia
Probably most of you have had to live this kind of uncomfortable situations when the person with the authority in the project makes you feel is not the person with the knowledge and skills to lead the project team. In my case, as a master in project management, probably have the mistake to advise immediately about bad practices and act in the way I consider is the best to keep the project management in order, but sometimes the experience and some other skills could help you to manage better this inconvenient. You, as project manager share with me your best practices, when the PM of the project you are working on is not competent to act. Saving Changes...
I have worked for several managers that I felt were lacking in some skill set. As a team player, I did my best to support them where they needed it. There are subtle ways to do this so that they are not always aware of what you are doing (so that they do not get defensive). You can make suggestions, give opinions, etc. In the end it is all about getting the project done. I will do what needs to be done to keep it moving forward.
I agree with Dinah, Kiron and Adrian Saving Changes...
Jesus MartheynProject Manager SR Lvl 2| GlobantMedellin, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 20, 2018 9:21 AM
Replying to Dinah Young
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I have worked for several managers that I felt were lacking in some skill set. As a team player, I did my best to support them where they needed it. There are subtle ways to do this so that they are not always aware of what you are doing (so that they do not get defensive). You can make suggestions, give opinions, etc. In the end it is all about getting the project done. I will do what needs to be done to keep it moving forward.
Dinah I like your answer. Could you share with me, how can I do so without makes him get defensive?
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1 reply by Dinah Young
Jul 20, 2018 10:40 AM
Dinah Young
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It is a matter of making him feel like you are there to help him. You will need to "chat" with him regularly. You need him to feel that you are on "his side". Offer to take on small tasks. "I can help you updated that document". Then start making suggestions, like "what if we did it this way". Always use "we". Never point out a problem without having a potential solution. "I am worried about X missing the deadline, do you think we should do Y the help?'. Give him the information and guide him to make the decision.
It takes a lot of tact and letting go of your ego.
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Dinah YoungProject Manager / Software Asset Manager| Prince William CountySpringfield, Va, United States
Jul 20, 2018 9:51 AM
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Dinah I like your answer. Could you share with me, how can I do so without makes him get defensive?
It is a matter of making him feel like you are there to help him. You will need to "chat" with him regularly. You need him to feel that you are on "his side". Offer to take on small tasks. "I can help you updated that document". Then start making suggestions, like "what if we did it this way". Always use "we". Never point out a problem without having a potential solution. "I am worried about X missing the deadline, do you think we should do Y the help?'. Give him the information and guide him to make the decision.
It takes a lot of tact and letting go of your ego. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
First of all, I fully support Kiron comment about perception. Second, question is: is your duty to decide about the competence of this person? Somebody give a responsability to her/him for a reason.
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1 reply by Jesus Martheyn
Jul 23, 2018 11:42 AM
Jesus Martheyn
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Hi Sergio,
I guess results are the most accurate way to measure it. I agree with Dinah and her comment is really useful. Probably he is really good in traditional PM, but when you change from traditional Project Management to Agile, things are not as easy as everybody guess. That's why I'm now in charge to support him, the thing is that it is my first time as a mentor and that's why I need lessons learned instead questions such as: "who are you to say he is not competent?" Those comments are a waste of time in my opinion. I'm asking support to manage this situation as best as possible, not to answer who I am to think something about somebody.
Saving Changes...
Jesus MartheynProject Manager SR Lvl 2| GlobantMedellin, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 20, 2018 7:50 PM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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First of all, I fully support Kiron comment about perception. Second, question is: is your duty to decide about the competence of this person? Somebody give a responsability to her/him for a reason.
Hi Sergio,
I guess results are the most accurate way to measure it. I agree with Dinah and her comment is really useful. Probably he is really good in traditional PM, but when you change from traditional Project Management to Agile, things are not as easy as everybody guess. That's why I'm now in charge to support him, the thing is that it is my first time as a mentor and that's why I need lessons learned instead questions such as: "who are you to say he is not competent?" Those comments are a waste of time in my opinion. I'm asking support to manage this situation as best as possible, not to answer who I am to think something about somebody.
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2 replies by Mayte Mata Sivera and Sergio Luis Conte
Jul 23, 2018 11:58 AM
Mayte Mata Sivera
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@Jesus, your comment about "traditional" vs "agile" shocked me..from my point of view there isn't any difference when you mentor/train or try to engage someone.
However, does it mean that you are trying to teach, help or engage him to be "more agile" ? Did someone informed him (Example his or your manager) that he need to learn and you will be supporting him?
Jul 23, 2018 12:56 PM
Sergio Luis Conte
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The problem is named things like something project management. Project management is one and only one related to the way the organization decide to follow: PMI, GPM, IPMA, anything else. With that on hand then you can use different practices (Lean, Agile, etc) that sometimes determines the techniques and tools you will use. What you stated about competence is nothing to be with the practice you use. The worst thing you can do is to think that somebody is incompetent or somethig other thing. In fact, you can think that for yourselfe. But, it the organization put that person in that role is for a reason. And most of the time you do not have all the information about the reason.
I have worked for several managers that I felt were lacking in some skill set. As a team player, I did my best to support them where they needed it. There are subtle ways to do this so that they are not always aware of what you are doing (so that they do not get defensive). You can make suggestions, give opinions, etc. In the end it is all about getting the project done. I will do what needs to be done to keep it moving forward.
I guess results are the most accurate way to measure it. I agree with Dinah and her comment is really useful. Probably he is really good in traditional PM, but when you change from traditional Project Management to Agile, things are not as easy as everybody guess. That's why I'm now in charge to support him, the thing is that it is my first time as a mentor and that's why I need lessons learned instead questions such as: "who are you to say he is not competent?" Those comments are a waste of time in my opinion. I'm asking support to manage this situation as best as possible, not to answer who I am to think something about somebody.
@Jesus, your comment about "traditional" vs "agile" shocked me..from my point of view there isn't any difference when you mentor/train or try to engage someone.
However, does it mean that you are trying to teach, help or engage him to be "more agile" ? Did someone informed him (Example his or your manager) that he need to learn and you will be supporting him?
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1 reply by Jesus Martheyn
Jul 23, 2018 12:20 PM
Jesus Martheyn
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Hi Mayte,
Well what usually happens when a new PM is joined to the team, a PM with experience in the organization is designed to mentor the new one. In this case, I guess it was mostly about the availability of PMs to mentor. I think different than you, traditional and agile approach is not the same and a traditional PM has to be guided. I have lead projects in both ways and there are some particularities to be considered to succeed. Of course, the manager exposed that.
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Jesus MartheynProject Manager SR Lvl 2| GlobantMedellin, Antioquia, Colombia
Jul 23, 2018 11:58 AM
Replying to Mayte Mata Sivera
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@Jesus, your comment about "traditional" vs "agile" shocked me..from my point of view there isn't any difference when you mentor/train or try to engage someone.
However, does it mean that you are trying to teach, help or engage him to be "more agile" ? Did someone informed him (Example his or your manager) that he need to learn and you will be supporting him?
Hi Mayte,
Well what usually happens when a new PM is joined to the team, a PM with experience in the organization is designed to mentor the new one. In this case, I guess it was mostly about the availability of PMs to mentor. I think different than you, traditional and agile approach is not the same and a traditional PM has to be guided. I have lead projects in both ways and there are some particularities to be considered to succeed. Of course, the manager exposed that.
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1 reply by Mayte Mata Sivera
Jul 23, 2018 12:47 PM
Mayte Mata Sivera
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Jesus,
If the manager already clarify the roles, then you have a big challenge to engage the team member!
On the other hand maybe you misunderstood me, I wasn't writing about how we lead or coordinate projects...from my point of view how to engage, convince, train, coach or mentor a team member isn't linked to the background you could be an amazing mentor in a manufacturing plant with lean six sigma and also managing a SAP implementation in a public department... From my point of view, be a mentor has more implications that teach someone something.
Well what usually happens when a new PM is joined to the team, a PM with experience in the organization is designed to mentor the new one. In this case, I guess it was mostly about the availability of PMs to mentor. I think different than you, traditional and agile approach is not the same and a traditional PM has to be guided. I have lead projects in both ways and there are some particularities to be considered to succeed. Of course, the manager exposed that.
Jesus,
If the manager already clarify the roles, then you have a big challenge to engage the team member!
On the other hand maybe you misunderstood me, I wasn't writing about how we lead or coordinate projects...from my point of view how to engage, convince, train, coach or mentor a team member isn't linked to the background you could be an amazing mentor in a manufacturing plant with lean six sigma and also managing a SAP implementation in a public department... From my point of view, be a mentor has more implications that teach someone something. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 23, 2018 11:42 AM
Replying to Jesus Martheyn
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Hi Sergio,
I guess results are the most accurate way to measure it. I agree with Dinah and her comment is really useful. Probably he is really good in traditional PM, but when you change from traditional Project Management to Agile, things are not as easy as everybody guess. That's why I'm now in charge to support him, the thing is that it is my first time as a mentor and that's why I need lessons learned instead questions such as: "who are you to say he is not competent?" Those comments are a waste of time in my opinion. I'm asking support to manage this situation as best as possible, not to answer who I am to think something about somebody.
The problem is named things like something project management. Project management is one and only one related to the way the organization decide to follow: PMI, GPM, IPMA, anything else. With that on hand then you can use different practices (Lean, Agile, etc) that sometimes determines the techniques and tools you will use. What you stated about competence is nothing to be with the practice you use. The worst thing you can do is to think that somebody is incompetent or somethig other thing. In fact, you can think that for yourselfe. But, it the organization put that person in that role is for a reason. And most of the time you do not have all the information about the reason. Saving Changes...
"Nearly every great advance in science arises from a crisis in the old theory, through an endeavor to find a way out of the difficulties created. We must examine old ideas, old theories, although they belong to the past, for this is the only way to understand the importance of the new ones and the extent of their validity."