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Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
Business Analyst work do not overlap Project Manager role. Not at all. Just to add some information I was part of the "genesis" of the role working with the IIBA before it was created formally. Now I am working with the PMI in the same from the first deliverable the PMI published (the practice guide). I have performed conferences from 2010 inside the PMI World Tour explanining how both roles work together. My recommendation is: take the Practice Guide (https://www.pmi.org/pmbok-guide-standards/...iness-analysis) read it mainly put attention to "Collaboration Points". You will find all you need to understand how both roles interact inside it.
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3 replies by Bob Thomas, Kik Piney, and Michael Effanga PMP PMI-PBA PMI-ACP
Aug 02, 2018 9:18 AM
Michael Effanga PMP PMI-PBA PMI-ACP
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Sergio, thank you for your contribution.
Can you explain what you mean by this 'Business Analyst work do not overlap Project Manager role. Not at all." bearing in mind that both roles work together towards successful value delivery
Aug 02, 2018 10:21 AM
Bob Thomas
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Having fulfilled both roles for years, and studied both BoKs, I agree 100%.
Aug 04, 2018 7:39 AM
Kik Piney
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Sergio. On the relationship between the PM and the BA: I did some thinking about this in 2011 and published a blog article that finished with this verse - adapted from the musical Oklahoma!
The PM and the BA should be friends
Oh, the PM and the BA should be friends
The PM likes to make a plan
The other serves the business man
But that's no reason why they cain't be friends.
Projectizing folks should stick together
Projectizing folks should all be mates
PMs work with BA’s data
BAs work to the PM’s dates.
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Diego AlvesProject analyst| EmbraconOsasco, São Paulo, Brazil
Business Analyst work do not overlap Project Manager role. Not at all. Just to add some information I was part of the "genesis" of the role working with the IIBA before it was created formally. Now I am working with the PMI in the same from the first deliverable the PMI published (the practice guide). I have performed conferences from 2010 inside the PMI World Tour explanining how both roles work together. My recommendation is: take the Practice Guide (https://www.pmi.org/pmbok-guide-standards/...iness-analysis) read it mainly put attention to "Collaboration Points". You will find all you need to understand how both roles interact inside it.
Sergio, thank you for your contribution.
Can you explain what you mean by this 'Business Analyst work do not overlap Project Manager role. Not at all." bearing in mind that both roles work together towards successful value delivery
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2 replies by Kik Piney and Sergio Luis Conte
Aug 02, 2018 9:33 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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It does mean exactly that. They do not overlap because the focus is totally different. There is a big mistake about what does mean "value delivery". I am part of the group that is creating a new practice guide on the field. But you can find all you need to understand that they do not overlap inside Practice Guide I mentioned before. What delivers value? The product/service/result to be created. Business Analyst is accountable for that mainly working before a project exists and then worling after the project ends (it does not mean business analyst will not work along project execution) where her/his focus is the product. The project contribute to that by creating exact what is defined as product/service/result (the project manager is not accountable for the definition), in the time needed, in the estimated cost and with the defined quality. The project does not deliver value by itself. That is the big mistake some people made and the PMI is in the process to clarify (in fact, that was done inside the new PMBOK and Business Analysis guides).
Aug 04, 2018 7:45 AM
Kik Piney
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Michael,
I am convinced that there is a major confusion that needs clearing up: it is not the Project Manager who needs close collaboration and alignment with the Business Analyst, but the Program Manager. Project deliver a result or capability, whereas programs deliver business benefits. The link between the project manager and the business analyst should be via the program manager because the program manager is accountable to the business.
It could therefore be very instructive to rework the analysis based on a) the BABOK and b) the Standard for Program Management.
