Bruce A HayesProject Manager, Scrum Master, Product Owner, and freelance Trainer.| Available to partner with you. Let's review your needs to see if we are
a match.Fort Wayne, IN, United States
Where do you think the Agile Practice Guide belongs in the long term?
What PMI has done is the best way to go as a transition is made. However, I think the Agile framework should eventually fall under the PMP designation. As we have the PMI-ACP designation, I suggest a Waterfall framework certification also be made available.
In my mind, the PMP certification should be the penultimate designation and include knowledge about all things project management. With that said, it makes sense to also have specialists in Waterfall, and Agile. This would allow even more detailed looks into the various methodologies. Saving Changes...
I think we need to move away from "waterfall" and "agile" and understand that there is a continuum of approaches falling between pure deterministic and purely adaptive lifecycles. I do like the concept of a flagship PM credential testing a candidate on both extremes as well as on their ability to tailor their approach to the needs of a given project, but such a credential might be challenging to construct in a fair, legally defensible manner.
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Harold CarterStudent| NoneHope Mills, Nc, United States
Good day Bruce & Kiron,
As you both obviously have many years of Project Management (PM) experience under your belt. I as a student see the merits of both approaches. However, as PM evolves the credentialing to stay abreast on the latest and greatest methodologies might become too much to teach in any university course, unless there are levels. The same levels can be applied for PMP credentials. Mentioned by Bruce as PMP-ACP, maybe there should be a basic PMP credential and as PM evolves, then add Agile, Waterfall, or other future methodologies credentialing and certifications. Yes, this would in turn add a specialization to the art of PM.
Thank you for letting me chime in and I look forward to your experienced reply.
Either as a separate book not designed as an extension to the PMBOK, or integrated fully into the PMBOK. Saving Changes...
RAJESH K LProject Manager, PMP| Bharat Electronics, Bengaluru, IndiaBengaluru, Karnataka, India
Agree with Sante Saving Changes...
Drew CraigSr. Agile & Product Coach| VanguardPhiladelphia, Pa, United States
I see it as evolutionary to bridge the two. I don't see value in segregating them. Should there then be a hybrid certification? That is the model that PMI has been 'pushing'. Saving Changes...
Brian RiehleIT Program Manager| US GovernmentFairfax, Va, United States
I definitely agree with Sante. The need for distinct specialities as they relate to projects is necessary, however PMBOK should continue to outline basic agile principles. PMs need to be familiarized with both approaches and be prepared to be specialized in the method their orgnaization leans most. Saving Changes...
Sergio Luis ConteHelping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based OrganizationsBuenos Aires, Argentina
The Agile Guide is not about Agile. It is about Agile applied to software. That is a big mistake I guess the PMI will fix into next editions. How it does happend? Because the PMI work with the Agile Consortium in isolation to create the guide. That was not the same to add Agile to the PMBOK. I was part of the group of authors then I can write about it. If you read the PMBOK you will find the right answer to apply project management into Agile based environments. Saving Changes...
