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Does an agile team need a project manager?
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Agile teams are characterized as self organizing, responsible for quality, customer focused. In Scrum, the most known agile method, there is no project manager role. So what's left to do for a project manager? I think his role shifts more to be a link between the team and the organization - what do you think?
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But in DSDM, the other most known and most used method, mainly in Europe and UK, there is a project manager role defined. Is not about the role or role name. Is about the role responsabilities or accountabilities.
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1 reply by Mirko Blüming
Dec 02, 2018 3:33 PM
Mirko Blüming
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@Sergio: Thank you for point to DSDM - looks worth to study to get ideas how to integrate PM with agile frameworks.
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Yes, but part of the PM responsibilities are shifted towards the team and the product owner.
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Mirko -

It depends on the organization structure changes driven by an agile transformation. If they move to a truly product-centric model or adopt a framework such as SAFe, the role of the PM will be absorbed into other roles (e.g. Release Train Engineer).

However in most large enterprises given the number of delivery and control partners as well as the standards & policies in place someone is still needed to manage governance, financials, risks, stakeholder engagement and so on. That would be your PM...

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Dec 01, 2018 3:47 PM
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But in DSDM, the other most known and most used method, mainly in Europe and UK, there is a project manager role defined. Is not about the role or role name. Is about the role responsabilities or accountabilities.
@Sergio: Thank you for point to DSDM - looks worth to study to get ideas how to integrate PM with agile frameworks.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 02, 2018 3:57 PM
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Agile is not about methods, frameworks, software or IT. Agile did not start with the Manifesto. Agile is totally compatible with project management mainly with PMI way to project management. From 2010 up to date I have the opportunity to perform conferences around the world inside the PMI World Tour demostrating that Agile and mainly Agile based methods are totally compatible and they take into acount what the PMBOK stated.
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Dec 02, 2018 3:33 PM
Replying to Mirko Blüming
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@Sergio: Thank you for point to DSDM - looks worth to study to get ideas how to integrate PM with agile frameworks.
Agile is not about methods, frameworks, software or IT. Agile did not start with the Manifesto. Agile is totally compatible with project management mainly with PMI way to project management. From 2010 up to date I have the opportunity to perform conferences around the world inside the PMI World Tour demostrating that Agile and mainly Agile based methods are totally compatible and they take into acount what the PMBOK stated.
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1 reply by Mirko Blüming
Dec 03, 2018 5:34 PM
Mirko Blüming
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Sergio, what is your definition of 'agile'?
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Mention Agile, framework or methodology in the same sentence and you WILL get a lesson.

But looking past that - Yes Sergio is right, it is not about the title but about the function. You also do not have a BA role in Scrum but that does not mean that the function does not get performed. The role of the PM and BA can be called anything, depending on the organization.
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1 reply by Mirko Blüming
Dec 03, 2018 5:40 PM
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@Anton: The problem is that people will not go that deep to understand how the PM role is recovered - they look at how roles are called, and will conclude that PM's can be discarded.
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Dec 02, 2018 3:57 PM
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Agile is not about methods, frameworks, software or IT. Agile did not start with the Manifesto. Agile is totally compatible with project management mainly with PMI way to project management. From 2010 up to date I have the opportunity to perform conferences around the world inside the PMI World Tour demostrating that Agile and mainly Agile based methods are totally compatible and they take into acount what the PMBOK stated.
Sergio, what is your definition of 'agile'?
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 04, 2018 4:14 AM
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Is not my definition. Is the definition created inside the USA DoD/NSF Agility Forum in 1990 that was the place where Agile was formally born. In that place Agile and agility were defined, a framework of reference was created. Agile is "a way of thinking and behave with focus on client, value and quality". The PMI has published a short article i wrote inside the PM Network:
English: http://www.pmnetwork-digital.com/pmnetwork/april_2016?pg=73#pg73
Spanish: http://www.pmnetwork-spanish.com/pmnetwork...2016?pg=68#pg68
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Dec 03, 2018 12:37 AM
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Mention Agile, framework or methodology in the same sentence and you WILL get a lesson.

But looking past that - Yes Sergio is right, it is not about the title but about the function. You also do not have a BA role in Scrum but that does not mean that the function does not get performed. The role of the PM and BA can be called anything, depending on the organization.
@Anton: The problem is that people will not go that deep to understand how the PM role is recovered - they look at how roles are called, and will conclude that PM's can be discarded.
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1 reply by Anton Oosthuizen
Dec 04, 2018 5:04 AM
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Mirko, you might be right but keep in mind that it is primarily up to the PM to ensure they evolve into the role where their skills are needed. It is easy enough to discard the role based on the role definitions of any approach or framework but not so easy to discard the function. We might not necessarily want to 'recover' the PM role, we want to recover the function.
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Fascinating answers and bang-on! The key piece is not to confuse the role with the function. The role might or might not exist but many/all of the functions are likely to exist, it's just a matter of who's doing them in a given approach/method/framework.

In an org I was part of, they (tried to) implement Agile/Scrum within an overall traditional environment, so the PM role got sort-of redefined to be: all the stuff the scrum team isn't doing, old-style status reportiing, budget planning/management, vendor engagement, resource mgt, etc.
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1 reply by Sergio Luis Conte
Dec 04, 2018 4:48 AM
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@Robert has put a great point here. Let me give an example of the reality in my actual work place. One of my duties is all about methods, strategy and governance. We have the same person assigned at the same time to more than one initiative where those initiatives are using predictive based approach and adaptive based approaches.I meant, the same person is working in waterfall based approach and Scrum based approach. That´s happen at the same time. The important thing is that person has clear the roles and its associated functions/procedures to perform the role.
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Dec 03, 2018 5:34 PM
Replying to Mirko Blüming
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Sergio, what is your definition of 'agile'?
Is not my definition. Is the definition created inside the USA DoD/NSF Agility Forum in 1990 that was the place where Agile was formally born. In that place Agile and agility were defined, a framework of reference was created. Agile is "a way of thinking and behave with focus on client, value and quality". The PMI has published a short article i wrote inside the PM Network:
English: http://www.pmnetwork-digital.com/pmnetwork/april_2016?pg=73#pg73
Spanish: http://www.pmnetwork-spanish.com/pmnetwork...2016?pg=68#pg68
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