Stelian ROMANProject Manager| MicroSafetyCarlingford, New South Wales, Australia
I noticed some posts on LinkedIn from leaders of the local chapter about the Scrum "project management". There were many comments indicating not only that Scrum is not a project management framework but there is more information that is inaccurate.
The answer from the poster was that he knew that the post contains wrong information but wanted to see what other people think.
One comment in particular got my attention. Someone asked why did he post something that knew that it is wrong? There were people that considered the information true and helpful.
I agree with that comment, as project management professionals we should educate others rather than spreading wrong information.
Moreover, I think that when you add your PMI Director position, and even PMP you have some responsibility over the content. Saving Changes...
Anton OosthuizenSenior Business Analyst / Project Manager| Self EmployedPretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
Agree. We all make mistakes but we need to own up to it. Doing something wrong willfully is highly unethical no matter what your position.
Just a side note: I have need seen the post/s in question but if it was the usual 'is it a bird, is it a plane' debate then I could not care less, if the intention of the post was clear. Like I've said many times - Call it what you want but if we are all talking about the same thing what is the use of arguing about names?
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2 replies by Jared Towner and Stelian ROMAN
Mar 15, 2019 12:37 AM
Stelian ROMAN
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Thank you Anton.I expect that any project manager knows the difference between a PM and a Scrum Master and if it does post a comparison between the 2 roles explains the reason, the intention and checks if the information is accurate.
The real danger is that people less knowledgeable or experienced will believe that the information is true because it comes from a 'certified' source.
I believe that when you include certifications or affiliation to a certain group or organisation you should assume that the content is no longer a 100% personal opinion.
I see a big difference between a joke on Facebook for your friends and a post on LinkedIn, that is (still) considered a professional platform.
Mar 15, 2019 2:01 PM
Jared Towner
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Well Said
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Stelian ROMANProject Manager| MicroSafetyCarlingford, New South Wales, Australia
Mar 15, 2019 12:21 AM
Replying to Anton Oosthuizen
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Agree. We all make mistakes but we need to own up to it. Doing something wrong willfully is highly unethical no matter what your position.
Just a side note: I have need seen the post/s in question but if it was the usual 'is it a bird, is it a plane' debate then I could not care less, if the intention of the post was clear. Like I've said many times - Call it what you want but if we are all talking about the same thing what is the use of arguing about names?
Thank you Anton.I expect that any project manager knows the difference between a PM and a Scrum Master and if it does post a comparison between the 2 roles explains the reason, the intention and checks if the information is accurate.
The real danger is that people less knowledgeable or experienced will believe that the information is true because it comes from a 'certified' source.
I believe that when you include certifications or affiliation to a certain group or organisation you should assume that the content is no longer a 100% personal opinion.
I see a big difference between a joke on Facebook for your friends and a post on LinkedIn, that is (still) considered a professional platform. Saving Changes...
RAJESH K LProject Manager, PMP| Bharat Electronics, Bengaluru, IndiaBengaluru, Karnataka, India
Promoting other than PMBOK is not appropriate Saving Changes...
Collins AlugaQuantity Surveyor| MCK Contract Services LtdNairobi, Nairobi, Kenya
That is unethical and can really mislead novice practitioners who rely on such advice Saving Changes...
The PMBOK is not a "be all and end all" framework, so I see no reason why chapter leaders shouldn't promote complementary frameworks or even competing frameworks when those have ideas, principles or practices which might be of value to the chapter's membership. I don't see this as an ethics violation but rather pragmatism.
On the other hand, promoting false information knowingly is certainly against PMI's code of ethics.
Kiron
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1 reply by Stelian ROMAN
Mar 15, 2019 5:35 PM
Stelian ROMAN
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Kiron, I never said that PMBoK is exclusive, every framework has parts that will be useful or not in a certain context. As a over 30 years practitioner I can say that I haven't seen (yet) a framework that was implemented without adaptation.
I raised to questions.If you are associated with PMI, especially as a leader and that association is in your LI profile,
1) is it ethical to post something that promote other frameworks as better than PMBoK?
2) is it ethical to post inaccurate information?
I do agree with Kiron. Misleading others is unethical, but sharing the knowledge and commenting on thoughts, like what we do here, is a good thing. Saving Changes...
LORI WILSONRETIRED - Technical Project Manager| RETIRED - LifePoint HealthClarkston, Wa, United States
I agree with Kiron and Abolfazi on this Saving Changes...
Jared TownerIT Project Manager| Bureau of the Fiscal ServiceElizabeth, Wv, United States
I absolutely agree that knowingly sharing misleading information is unethical and simply wrong. However, I am going to have a very difficult time embracing the concept that chapter leadership shouldn’t share information about product/project management philosophies/concepts/frameworks or methodologies that aren’t specifically laid out in the most current edition of the PMBOK®, specifically Scrum. Scrum might not be referenced in the 6th edition of the PMBOK® but it is referenced many, many times in the formal PMI publication of the Agile Practice Guide. Since it was brought up in this thread, I am a certified Project Management Professional (PMP®) but I am not yet a certified PMI-ACP®. However, during my studies for the PMI-ACP® it is very flatly stated by many R.E.P.s that the need to comprehensively understand the Scrum frame work is paramount to passing the exam. To take that 1 step farther on the PMI web page there are 2 Scrum books listed to prepare for the PMI-ACP® Exam: https://www.pmi.org/certifications/types/agile-acp/references
Finally, to echo what Anton said earlier. I don’t care at all about the semantics associated with all of this. Scrum, XP, PMBOK®, MaMa’s recipe for Appel Pie, if it helps my team and I ethically and efficiently deliver our project: 1.) I’m going to use it and 2.) I should be allowed to encourage others to use it if it applicable to their circumstance.
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1 reply by Stelian ROMAN
Mar 15, 2019 6:16 PM
Stelian ROMAN
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@Jared, my dilema is not about sharing information. It is about: 1) knowingly and willingly sharing wrong and/or misleading information. 2) promoting other frameworks as better than PMBoK from a PMI leader role
I have no problem with using any practice that it's fit for a certain project or methodology but I believe that association with PMI in a leadership role should prevent people from posting misleading information, especially about PMBoK. Knowing more frameworks or having any certification is benefic, knowledge is always good but once you are a leader in a certain group it is assumed that you uphold that group's values and principles.
I have the PMI-ACP certification and I read all the books indicated (and many more). I also have a Scrum Master certification. For ethical reasons, I will never promote one over the other. In my opinion, knowing pretty well both of them, they are complementary, not opposed. There is nothing in either framework preventing the use of both in the same project. As a side note PMI-ACP doesn't promote any framework. It is a guidance for ALL project team members on how project delivery can incorporate Agile practices.
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Jared TownerIT Project Manager| Bureau of the Fiscal ServiceElizabeth, Wv, United States
Mar 15, 2019 12:21 AM
Replying to Anton Oosthuizen
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Agree. We all make mistakes but we need to own up to it. Doing something wrong willfully is highly unethical no matter what your position.
Just a side note: I have need seen the post/s in question but if it was the usual 'is it a bird, is it a plane' debate then I could not care less, if the intention of the post was clear. Like I've said many times - Call it what you want but if we are all talking about the same thing what is the use of arguing about names?
Well Said Saving Changes...
Stelian ROMANProject Manager| MicroSafetyCarlingford, New South Wales, Australia
Mar 15, 2019 7:48 AM
Replying to Kiron Bondale
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Stelian -
The PMBOK is not a "be all and end all" framework, so I see no reason why chapter leaders shouldn't promote complementary frameworks or even competing frameworks when those have ideas, principles or practices which might be of value to the chapter's membership. I don't see this as an ethics violation but rather pragmatism.
On the other hand, promoting false information knowingly is certainly against PMI's code of ethics.
Kiron
Kiron, I never said that PMBoK is exclusive, every framework has parts that will be useful or not in a certain context. As a over 30 years practitioner I can say that I haven't seen (yet) a framework that was implemented without adaptation.
I raised to questions.If you are associated with PMI, especially as a leader and that association is in your LI profile,
1) is it ethical to post something that promote other frameworks as better than PMBoK?
2) is it ethical to post inaccurate information? Saving Changes...
