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Which point will be in more focus while writing Good User Stories wrt INVEST?

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Sachin Ghugardare PM II| Tech Mahindra Pune, Maharashtra, India
Which point will be in more focus while writing Good User Stories wrt INVEST?

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Drew Craig Sr. Agile & Product Coach| Vanguard Philadelphia, Pa, United States
They all work together united to ensure a good user story. They do not work independently.
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Rami Kaibni
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Senior Projects Manager | Field & Marten Associates New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada
Fully agree with Andrew’s statement.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Sachin -

the whole point of INVEST is to illustrate the competing forces which will mold a "good enough" story. If any one is given greater precedence we won't get a good story. For example, if we obsess over small enough, we will get micro-tasks which don't represent value by themselves and which required advanced degrees in scheduling to be prioritized.

Kiron
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1 reply by Sachin Ghugardare
Mar 28, 2019 12:15 PM
Sachin Ghugardare
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Well said Kiron.
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Sachin Ghugardare PM II| Tech Mahindra Pune, Maharashtra, India
Mar 28, 2019 12:09 PM
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Sachin -

the whole point of INVEST is to illustrate the competing forces which will mold a "good enough" story. If any one is given greater precedence we won't get a good story. For example, if we obsess over small enough, we will get micro-tasks which don't represent value by themselves and which required advanced degrees in scheduling to be prioritized.

Kiron
Well said Kiron.
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
None. Do not follow a checklist in advance. User Stories must be write but the users and they are just "a placeholder, an invitation to continue talking about" as Kent Beck said.
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Mar 29, 2019 8:16 AM
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I look at Bill Wake's acronym as guidance not as a gate. Similar to the DoR or DoD, it is there to help the team, not to provide rigid constraints. Regardless of whether a team chooses to use user stories as the starting points for discussing requirements or some other requirements modeling technique, the different attributes of INVEST serve as a useful guideline similar to the S.M.A.R.T. acronym we associate with objectives & acceptance criteria.
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Kiron Bondale Retired | Mentor| Retired Welland, Ontario, Canada
Mar 28, 2019 6:46 PM
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None. Do not follow a checklist in advance. User Stories must be write but the users and they are just "a placeholder, an invitation to continue talking about" as Kent Beck said.
I look at Bill Wake's acronym as guidance not as a gate. Similar to the DoR or DoD, it is there to help the team, not to provide rigid constraints. Regardless of whether a team chooses to use user stories as the starting points for discussing requirements or some other requirements modeling technique, the different attributes of INVEST serve as a useful guideline similar to the S.M.A.R.T. acronym we associate with objectives & acceptance criteria.
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Peter Ambrosy Weinheim, Germany
Good user stories are those that achieve a shared understanding within the team what needs to be done and delivered. In this respect Sergio's comment is very valid.

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