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Enrique Aparicio PROJECT MANAGER| DATEC Ltda. La Paz, Bolivia (Plurinational State of)
Hi every one, Is there some difference between Agile and Lean? I see that AGILE takes a lot of Lean Manufacturing concepts, techniques, and Philosophy...


Hola a todos, ¿Hay alguna diferencia entre Agile y Lean? Veo que AGILE toma muchos conceptos, técnicas y filosofía de Lean Manufacturing ...
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 09, 2019 9:49 AM
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Hola Enrique. Te recomiendo que leas la guía de práctica ágil. La guía explica ágil contra sus orígenes Lean.
Stephane, la guia es incorrecta. Agile no fué originado en Lean y el problema mas grande es que la guia se refiere a software aunque intentan decir lo contrario. Basta leerla solamente y tambien basta con ver que fué escrita en conjunto con la Agile Alliance que es Agile aplicado a software.
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DORA LUZ Mejia CEO| IT Explore Envigado, Antioquia, Colombia
Enrique aunque agil ha tomado algunos de los elementos de lean. Considero que es importante concentrarse en que tienen objetivos diferentes y técnicas diferentes. El proposito principal de lean es para optimizar el tiempo de ciclo de los procesos y la eliminación de desperdicio a través de tecnicas y herramientas asociadas a estos objetivos. En agile tu usas multiples conceptos y herramientas algunos de ellos "prestados" de lean . el quiz del asunto está en dependiendo de lo que necesites es más adecuado usar lean o en otros casos puede ser mas adecuado usar tecnicas agiles. por ej en mi caso he usado tecnicas lean muy exitosamente para procesos comerciales, procesos operativos de infraestructura y de areas de operación como procesos de crédito. y procesos mas orientados a Agile en procesos que aguantan una planeación de sprints y no operativos del dia a dia tener que asegurar planeacion y ejecucion diaria y continua con cambios continuos.
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Wade Harshman Scrum Master| GDIT Indianapolis, In, United States
Jul 09, 2019 6:31 PM
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Sorry Wade but that is right is you read about Scrum not about Agile in general. In fact as you know stories like Scrum are related to software file but Agile and Lean were create before that. In fact, the first use of Agile word was in a paper published in the USA in 1985 called "Agile Manufacturing".
Actually Sergio, I am talking about Agile and not about Scrum specifically. By "roots" I am talking about the longer history that led to the development of both Lean and the Agile movements. Therefore I cannot talk about "Agile" in terms of software only, I have to go back decades earlier and consider the lessons learned in other industries, especially the research done in the aerospace industry. Similarly, I cannot talk about modern "Lean" practices without talking about people like Ford or Deming. I've found that it helps to realize how the principles discovered in one industry can be applied to other industries, even though technology has changed a great deal.

These are all too intertwined to separate them in my mind, and I blame smart people like you for showing me how they're all connected.
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Jul 10, 2019 9:49 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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Sorry if I missunderstood your comment Wade. Just to clarify because english is not my first language the only reason I post a comment when I saw that people said that Agile and Lean are the same (not you) if with the objective to help people to search about and to clarify the differences because the diferences, in my personal opinion and experience, will help people do not fail when tried to use them
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 10, 2019 8:44 AM
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Actually Sergio, I am talking about Agile and not about Scrum specifically. By "roots" I am talking about the longer history that led to the development of both Lean and the Agile movements. Therefore I cannot talk about "Agile" in terms of software only, I have to go back decades earlier and consider the lessons learned in other industries, especially the research done in the aerospace industry. Similarly, I cannot talk about modern "Lean" practices without talking about people like Ford or Deming. I've found that it helps to realize how the principles discovered in one industry can be applied to other industries, even though technology has changed a great deal.

These are all too intertwined to separate them in my mind, and I blame smart people like you for showing me how they're all connected.
Sorry if I missunderstood your comment Wade. Just to clarify because english is not my first language the only reason I post a comment when I saw that people said that Agile and Lean are the same (not you) if with the objective to help people to search about and to clarify the differences because the diferences, in my personal opinion and experience, will help people do not fail when tried to use them
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Jul 10, 2019 10:34 PM
Wade Harshman
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You speak multiple languages more fluently than I speak one. No judgment from me.
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Enrique Aparicio PROJECT MANAGER| DATEC Ltda. La Paz, Bolivia (Plurinational State of)
Wow, this is a hot topic, jajaj...
Thanks a lot for the comments and resources, I'll explore it, and probably get more questions

Wow, este es un tema candente, jajaj ...
Muchas gracias por los comentarios y las respuestas, lo exploraré y probablemente postearé más preguntas.
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Wade Harshman Scrum Master| GDIT Indianapolis, In, United States
Jul 10, 2019 9:49 AM
Replying to Sergio Luis Conte
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Sorry if I missunderstood your comment Wade. Just to clarify because english is not my first language the only reason I post a comment when I saw that people said that Agile and Lean are the same (not you) if with the objective to help people to search about and to clarify the differences because the diferences, in my personal opinion and experience, will help people do not fail when tried to use them
You speak multiple languages more fluently than I speak one. No judgment from me.
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Wayne Mack Retired| Retired South Riding, Va, United States
I avoid worry about whether something is Lean or Agile; the definitions of both are far to vague. Instead, if something appears to be useful, use it regardless of whether it came from something with Lean in the title or with Agile in the title. In the end, the labels don't matter.
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Jul 20, 2019 7:35 AM
Sergio Luis Conte
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I agree with you in general. In fact, it is my approach. Just to comment the definition are not vague. I include below a link that could help. On the other side, the problem comes when organizations try to use things called Lean-Agile because the basement of both are different. The presentation in the link below show that (it belongs to Rick Dove who was the leader of the forum where Agile was born in 1990).
http://www.parshift.com/s/140106Technion-AgileVsLeanSE.pdf
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Sergio Luis Conte Helping to create solutions for everyone| Worldwide based Organizations Buenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 19, 2019 8:45 PM
Replying to Wayne Mack
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I avoid worry about whether something is Lean or Agile; the definitions of both are far to vague. Instead, if something appears to be useful, use it regardless of whether it came from something with Lean in the title or with Agile in the title. In the end, the labels don't matter.
I agree with you in general. In fact, it is my approach. Just to comment the definition are not vague. I include below a link that could help. On the other side, the problem comes when organizations try to use things called Lean-Agile because the basement of both are different. The presentation in the link below show that (it belongs to Rick Dove who was the leader of the forum where Agile was born in 1990).
http://www.parshift.com/s/140106Technion-AgileVsLeanSE.pdf
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