Stéphane ParentSelf Employed / Semi-retired| Leader MakerPrince Edward Island, Canada
Oct 01, 2019 10:50 AM
Replying to Rami Kaibni
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I did not know this has launched already, interesting. Thank you for noting this Luis, will certainly check it out but either way, and I might be old school, I do not feel safe getting in a driverless car, at the end, it’s a machine.
Even though, the driverless car will likely make a better and quicker decision that a human? (The human reflex is about 0.7s. That's a pretty long time in the electronic world.)
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1 reply by Wade Harshman
Oct 01, 2019 2:19 PM
Wade Harshman
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I think that depends on the scenario. Given a predictable format of data to process, the computer will win almost every time. (This includes not only processing, but input and output, which still takes people quite a bit of time.) But in more complex scenarios, or where strategy or creativity are required, AI cannot yet compete.
In the case of autonomous vehicles, they will (because we won't accept them if they don't) out-perform human drivers in normal driving situations, meaning they will stay in their lane, follow the speed limit, and turn when required. Under abnormal conditions, such as in an emergency requiring immediate evasive driving, they cannot be counted on, because we can't possibly program them for every unexpected scenario. People can't reliably make good decisions every time, either, but the point is that the average alert adult still has a better chance of reacting to an unexpected and complex scenario, perhaps even reacting before they've had a chance to think about the situation.
This is why Tesla's auto-pilot explicitly states that it's merely driver assistance, and the driver is still responsible for anything the car does or fails to do.
It's also why I don't yet fear that AI will replace project management.
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Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Oct 01, 2019 12:11 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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Should we have Arnold terminated now?
I wouldn't go that far, but they should use his voice for the cabin assistant and see how customers react.
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Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Oct 01, 2019 12:13 PM
Replying to Stéphane Parent
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Even though, the driverless car will likely make a better and quicker decision that a human? (The human reflex is about 0.7s. That's a pretty long time in the electronic world.)
I think that depends on the scenario. Given a predictable format of data to process, the computer will win almost every time. (This includes not only processing, but input and output, which still takes people quite a bit of time.) But in more complex scenarios, or where strategy or creativity are required, AI cannot yet compete.
In the case of autonomous vehicles, they will (because we won't accept them if they don't) out-perform human drivers in normal driving situations, meaning they will stay in their lane, follow the speed limit, and turn when required. Under abnormal conditions, such as in an emergency requiring immediate evasive driving, they cannot be counted on, because we can't possibly program them for every unexpected scenario. People can't reliably make good decisions every time, either, but the point is that the average alert adult still has a better chance of reacting to an unexpected and complex scenario, perhaps even reacting before they've had a chance to think about the situation.
This is why Tesla's auto-pilot explicitly states that it's merely driver assistance, and the driver is still responsible for anything the car does or fails to do.
It's also why I don't yet fear that AI will replace project management.
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1 reply by Stéphane Parent
Oct 02, 2019 2:07 PM
Stéphane Parent
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In the case of an impending collision,my Corolla will brake my car, correctly balancing the needs of the human in front of the car and the needs of the car passengers. I doubt I could calculate the correct sweet spot in my head.
I have been working for Renault for 2 years, so I guess I can bring my stone to the building. Here is my opinion: Driverless vehicles are clearly a challenge, that many automotive industries are facing now. Here, we think that the future of driving is "no Driving anymore", just as people will no longer own their own vehicles.
Technology exists: Tesla and Google are good examples.
However there is a big issue concerning reglementation and laws. In case of accident, who will be responsible ? How autonomous vehicles can be ? Do we need to keep a driver behind the wheel ? This questions may slower research and development a bit.
Here is a second point: we need infrastructure to allow driverless vehicles to drive: Connected traffic signalisation, connected street and more. Car manufacturers may spend money into Autonomous car programm, they will face this issue.
My conlusion is: the world might not be sufficiently ready for driverless cars. It will happens in the future, but today there is others priorities (environmental, economic) that must be adressed before.
Of course, this is just my opinion.
The points raised by Jérôme is by all means the true problem, in addition if the developed part of this world were to embrace autonomous technology, we may have the issue of exporting cars to the developing countries.The cost of production will surely be on the rise as most factories would have been converted to autonomous production line.
As ongoing research study on Artificial Intelligence (AI), the issue that keep coming up is how far behind is the developing countries with Machine Learning a subset of AI? this is not to say that the developing countries are pulling the advancement backward, but rather the government and the science communities has to work on same agenda as if technology development were a global project.
The key drawback is the infrastructure and lack of phase deployment across the globe, tied to issues of steady energy supply in most developing countries let alone the roads for a test run.
On the opinion that once autonomous technology is perfected across developed countries, then it can be rolled out to developing countries, this idea may face investment blackhole due to impact that will come from export/import in relation to fossil fuel countries.
The above views may not hold if a drastic project driven measures are put in place.
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Anton OosthuizenSenior Business Analyst / Project Manager| Self EmployedPretoria, Gauteng, South Africa
Oct 01, 2019 6:58 AM
Replying to Daire Guiney
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The main roadblock for driverless vehicles is legislation in order to define who would be at fault in the event that a driverless vehicle is in an accident with a person driving their car. While legislation would be needed for any driverless car to take to the road, I would say it will still take a test case in the court to set a precedent as to the various legal permutations that could happen when a driverless vehicle comes in contact with humans. At this time it is more driver assisted technology that is being installed in cars which takes out some of the grunt work in driving.
I think this is an interesting point that we often overlook. The technology is available so let's just do it but it really is not that simple. Imagine what such a trial would look like. Witnesses will be replaced by heaps of data trying to prove or disprove what the autonomous vehicle was doing at the time of the accident. It opens up a whole new world of possible corruption. Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Let's look at this from another perspective.
At this time Tesla, a pioneer in driverless cars, has a higher market value than any other car manufacturer.
What is valued today?
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There are additional barriers to them which as project managers we should consider- firstly budget, they are much more expensive, and secondly user requirements - not many people actually want them at this time. If I called a taxi and a driverless one turned up to take me across town and down the motorway, I would not be getting in. Technology is not viewed as trustworthy enough at this time. Saving Changes...
Luis BrancoCEO| Business Insight, Consultores de Gestão, LdªCarcavelos, Lisboa, Portugal
Yet another perspective on the subject. Do we need regulation to implement an innovation?
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1 reply by Wade Harshman
Oct 02, 2019 8:21 AM
Wade Harshman
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I'm not sure on the question, Luis, so I'll answer it two different ways.
If you're asking if we need laws and regulations to force us to adopt innovation, I'd answer no. Sometimes this is done, of course. We see this in several countries that give incentives to alternative energy, electric cars, or energy efficient housing. But I don't think governments are the best adopters of emerging technologies. I would trust my own government to not only choose the wrong technology to implement, but to then become an impediment to newer innovations. Governments favor stability over innovation. Best to let the markets decide. Civilian populations don't always make the best technology choices either, but at least free markets allow multiple solution streams and continuing innovation.
If you're asking if we need to update our regulations to allow for innovation, then the answer is yes. Electric vehicles are a prime example of this.
As to your earlier question about whether we value dreams or reality, I think Tesla's Elon Musk is evidence that we value dreams. He has made a fortune by monetizing what could be. Investing is merely informed gambling, but a lot of people have placed their bets that his dreams could become reality.
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Yousaf KhanPM Consultant| City of TorontoToronto, Ontario, Canada
There is a lot of potential in the technology, but simultaneous development of competing transport tech could make driverless automobiles obsolete before they become available. I would personally rather have a flying car than a driverless one :) Saving Changes...
Wade HarshmanScrum Master| GDITIndianapolis, In, United States
Oct 02, 2019 6:00 AM
Replying to Luis Branco
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Yet another perspective on the subject. Do we need regulation to implement an innovation?
I'm not sure on the question, Luis, so I'll answer it two different ways.
If you're asking if we need laws and regulations to force us to adopt innovation, I'd answer no. Sometimes this is done, of course. We see this in several countries that give incentives to alternative energy, electric cars, or energy efficient housing. But I don't think governments are the best adopters of emerging technologies. I would trust my own government to not only choose the wrong technology to implement, but to then become an impediment to newer innovations. Governments favor stability over innovation. Best to let the markets decide. Civilian populations don't always make the best technology choices either, but at least free markets allow multiple solution streams and continuing innovation.
If you're asking if we need to update our regulations to allow for innovation, then the answer is yes. Electric vehicles are a prime example of this.
As to your earlier question about whether we value dreams or reality, I think Tesla's Elon Musk is evidence that we value dreams. He has made a fortune by monetizing what could be. Investing is merely informed gambling, but a lot of people have placed their bets that his dreams could become reality. Saving Changes...
